2009Octfinds2

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2009 Oct II finds page

1798 George III milled gold 1/3 guinea

Neat relic - 1804 George III milled gold 1/3 guinea forgery

Bronze arrow head ??

1217 /8 Henry III hammered silver short cross penny Class 7a

Obv HENRICVS REX

Obv ** REI ON LVN - Moneyer Gefrei of London

1584-6 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat - Escallop mint mark 6th issue

20thC 4 grams trade weight

Royal Engineer Department

Officer & O/R's - 1837-1855

17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

Lead seal

Essex Constabulary

1930 George V milled silver sixpence

1204/5 John hammered silver short cross penny -Class 5c

Obv HENRICVS REX

Rev RAVF .ON. WIN -Moneyer Ravf of Winchester mint

Irish 1473 -1478 Edward IV hammered silver penny - quatrefoils at centre of reverse cross- pellets by neck on obv

Victorian milled silver shilling

17thC mount

3rd C Roman 'Newstead' type lorica tie loop

Roman 2nd bronze coin 32.93mm, 21.49g

is a sestertius of Hadrian - and a very young portrait style, too - his portrait still resembles Trajan at this point and he's shown with a very long neck and bare chest - probably about 117-120 AD, but without a clue about the reverse I can't be any more specific.

Mark

1816 George III milled silver shilling

1341 Edward III hammered silver florin penny

Obv EDWAR R ANGL DNS HYB

Rev CIVI/TAS/CAN/TOR - Canterbury mint

'Tally Ho' hunting button

Really neat dated button -PHOEN IX Fire Office 1810

2 - 15thC casket keys

1696 William III milled silver sixpence

Medieval lead trade weight

17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

1834 William IV milled silver sixpence

20thC - £1 - T D Nunn Wix store token

Georgian advertising watch winder - J.W.Benson Watch & Clock maker

Post medieval lead seal

1636-8 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat - Tun mint mark

Georgian pewter button

Corporation button

1816 George III milled silver six pence

Britain's Merchant Navy
Generic Design Issue
In use 1900 - 2000's

Bliss Bros Ltd

Rd 665050

Medieval bronze vessica seal matrix - crow impression facing left

Honourable East India Company, Ship's Officers Button

2nd C Roman bronze coin

Georgian pipe tamper

16thC stone caronade shell

Roman buckle tongue

18thC Dutch lead bale seal

1900 Generic merchant navy

17thc lead document seal

Unrecorded Royal Marines one piece button

Military button CH ??

60th Regiment of Foot
( Royal American )
O/R's - (Engraved) 1757-1815

Medieval lead gaming token

Post medieval lead bale seal

18thC Royal Navy silver stud

1603 James 1st gold Unite, 2nd coinage, revalued coin weight

XXIIs - 22 shillings - 10gm

16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat

1929 George V milled silver shilling

Roman open ended buckle fragment

Georgian spur fragment

1340 Edward III hammered silver groat

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

WWII civilian button ?

Medieval pin head

2nd C Roman fibular brooch

17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

1864 Victorian milled silver sixpence

1561 Elizabeth hammered silver 3 pence

1704 Queen Anne milled silver shiliing

1834 William IV milled silver 1 1/2 pence

1461-70 Edward IV hammered silver penny - York Archiepiscopal issue Type VIIi, G and key by bust - Quatrefoil with pellet at centre of reverse

17thC apothecary weight

1247 Henry III hammered silver voided longcross cut halfpenny - Class 1b

Obv HENRICVS REX

Obv WIL/LEM/EON/KAN - Willeme of Canterbury

16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat

1247 Henry III hammered silver shortcross cut halfpenny

Obv HENRICVS REX

Rev ** NRI.on -Henri of London

Bronze Romano/British hanging weight ?

Taco'd Circa 1350 Edward hammered gold 1/4 noble - Cross 3 -Needs straightening to ID exact type from rev shield.

Obv + EDWARD DEI GRA REX ANGL

Rev

18.92mm. 1.9g

1580 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver three pence - Latin cross mintmark - 5th issue

18.06mm, 1.48mm

1633-4 Charles 1st hammered silver shilling - Portcullis mintmark Group D Garnished oval shield with CR at sides

Tower mint under Charles I

15thC lead long cross token - type 2

18thC 2nd regiment of foot regiment button (not in ref books)

1762 George III milled silver 4 pence

10 to 40 AD Cunobelin Celtic gold qtr stater - sent to CCI for recording

12.41mm, 1.26g

Medieval hammered silver penny

Obv CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1341 Edward hammered silver florin penny

Obv EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB

Obv CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

Essex regiment cap badge

1550-1650 buckle

1853 Napoleon III French copper coin

Customs button

1900 Generic merchant navy button

1816 George III milled silver sixpence

Georgian button

1767 Continental billion silver coin

1554 Mary hammered silver groat

Great find - 1625 Charles 1st sixpence coin weight - 3gm

Obv VI R D

Rev VI C DE

Roman buckle

17thC Pewter finial

WWII Auxilery Fire service button

19thC livery button

WWI Prussian army button

Navy bale seal - JC Anchor

Medieval heraldic shield pendant - yellow and red enamelling remaining - Cal Jim just ID'd the family

Jean de Chalon "le sage" (1190-1267)
Count of Burgundy and Chalon (sur Saône). Count of Auxonne from 1230.
John was the son of Stephen III, Count of Auxonne. He took the name and the coat of arms of Chalon. In 1237, he swapped Auxonne and Chalon with the duke of Burgundy, for the lordship of Salins (and its valuable saltworks).
John married Mahaut, sister of Duke Eudes III of Burgundy, then Isabeau daughter of Robert I of Courtenay and finally Laure of Commercy.
He fought at Toulouse 1211 and Avignon 1226

1917 George V milled silver 3 pence

1816 George III milled silver sixpence

1825 Russian lead bale seal

1943 George VI milled silver sixpence

1279 Edward hammered silver penny - Class 7 Initial mark - Cross Pattee

Rose on breast type

Obv EDW **** DNS HYB

Obv CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1816 George III milled silver sixpence

Facinating London trade weight - Stamped Crown W for 1696 William III and both Crown A for Queene Anner 1704 - Restamped after Williams death

17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

19thC livery button - cannon

14thC British Gold nobel lead coin weight - ship obverse

19thC livery button

Navy button - not checked ref books yet

Another Roman coin find from the reported hoard

Unless I am mistaken, all 7 of these belong to the brother team of Magnentius & Decentius - a fairly short-lived (350-353 AD) Augustus/Caesar pair of the sort promoted to Augustus, ad-hoc, by their legions. This was a very common story during the chaos-years of the later 3rd century, but happened far less often in the 4th. Magnentius had been a top general of Constans' - his army proclaimed him Augustus and since Constans did him the favor of being captured and executed conveniently quickly - within a few months - Magnentius was duly recognized as Augustus in most of the Western provinces in 350. The next year he elevated his little brother Decentius to be his colleague Caesar.

Constantius II was not pleased by the Western upstarts and within 2 years had defeated them in a couple of significant battles. Realizing the jig was up, they both committed suicide in 353.

Although these reverse types are known for other rulers (for whom they are pretty rare), they are especially associated with Magnentius & Decentius, both of whom were always portrayed "bare headed" - no laurels or diadems, etc. - and both of whom sported distinctive "mullett" hairdos like you see on the clearest specimens here. Since I believe the obverse legend on that nice one of Bruce's ends in "AVG", I'd say it's most likely Magnentius. Any on which the obverse legend ends (around 5:00) in CAES, CAESAR, NOB C, or NC can safely be assumed to be Decentius.

The type with the 2 Victories resting shield inscribed: VOT / V / MVLT / X on a cippus (or just holding it between them) woul have a legend like: VICTORIAE DD NN AVG ET CAES - and was common for both of them. The large Chi-Rho Christogram reverse was used on both the centenionalis and short-lived double-centenionalis denominations - it's not really scarce, but is sought-after making it a bit more expensive for those wanting to buy one. This is a common factor in ancient coins, those with some sort of "religious" reference are always found desirable by folks who have no other interest in ancient coins, thereby driving up the prices (like the so-called "Tribute Penny" denarius of Tiberius - of which your diggers have found several - which is the most common silver coin of the early 1st century, but sells for 3-4 times as much as any other).

This pair struck only in the Western mints: Amiens, Trier, Lyon, Arles, Aquilea, Rome and Siscia

You have the Chi-Rho reverse 90º counter-clockwise out of alignment, by the way. in the left and right interstices of the Chi are "A" and "W" (Alpha/Omega). You can see these letters pretty clearly on this specimen although the "P"-shaped top of the Rho seems to have taken too much damage to be visible.

Some examples from my collection:

Magnentius: Chi-Rho double-centenionalis: http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/26_Magnentius_SAL_AMB

typical 2 Victories:

http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/29_Magnentius_2VIC_TRP

2 Victories from a British MD find:

http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/31_Magnentius_2VIC_TRE

a couple less-common reverses:

http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/27_Magnentius_FEL_AMB

http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/28_Magnentius_GLO_AQL

Decentius:

http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album167/33_Decentius_2VIC_LUG

Mark

2ndC Roman silver coin sent off for ID

17.05mm, 2.79g

Mark Lehman just sent me this feedback & ID on the coin

The denarius is from Antoninus Pius, who, as you're probably aware, built a second, more northerly wall between Britain and the "barbarian north" - although of earth rather than stone and, I assume, not nearly so well appointed by way of amenities for its garrisons.

This piece is dated by the obverse and reverse legends to December 10, 159 - December 9,160 AD. Minted in Rome - the obverse should read: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XXIII.

The reverse shows Antoninus, togate, sacrificing at a tripod altar and holding a scroll - it reads VOTA SVSCEP DECENN III COS IIII

RIC III 306, RSC 1113.

This reverse commemorates his completion of his 2nd Decennalia and states that he has undertaken the vows for his 3rd as the Pontifex Maximus of the State religion. At various intervals, usually 5's and/or 10's of years within the reign, the emperor performed ceremonies in thanks for his successful reign and pledging to make similar sacrifices if the gods give him another 5 or 10 years of "success". Although in later years, emperors tended to "anticipate" these ceremonies - sometimes by many years - and they cease to be an accurate dating feature, in the 2nd century, this ceremony would have been on the 20th anniversary of his ascension on July 10, 138 and been a pretty big official celebration. This coin, then, is repeating the "news" of him having celebrated his 2nd Decennalia the previous year, and having made his vows for the 3rd, which he would not live to see, dying at Lorium, March 7, 161.

Many consider the reign of Antoninus as the true "Golden Age of Rome" - the apex of Roman power and civilization. Although the allegorical personification of Britannia was first introduced by Hadrian as a reverse type for sestertii of his "Grand Tour" series, the Britannia seated on a rock reverse which would be adapted for use on pennies and half-pennies in the 18th-20th centuries, was the reverse type on a very large emission of Antoninus' copper asses minted "in the field" in Britain during his reign.

Mark

17thC clothing fastener

Victorian brooch

Finial

19thC livery button

Georgian button

Romano latch key

1760-1773 - 27 shilling coin weight for 4000 reis (Moidore) Portuguese gold coin

18thC Conder token

Monogrammed button

C17th C Complete silver Bokin needle - reported as treasure to the museum

1845 Victorian milled silver groat

1199 King John hammered silver shortcross penny

Obv HENRICVS REX

Rev RICHARD ON LVND - Moneyer Richard of London

16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny

18thC silver navy button

1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny

Rev CIVI/TAS/EBO/RACI - York mint

16thC Tudor gilded silver fastener fragment - reported as treasure

1696 William III milled silver lovetoken

1293 – 22 August 1350 French coin weight for the couronne d'or of Philip VI

1587 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat

1413 Henry hammered silver penny - Archiepiscopal issue -quatrefoil with pellet on reverse cross

Obv ********ANGLIE

Rev CIVI/TAS/EBO/RACI - York mint

Victorian silver mount

1790 German City of Osnabruck- copper 1 Heller coin

Size comparison of Henry half penny, Edward farthing & Victorian crown

1300-10 Edward II hammered silver farthing- new issue with inner circles both sides - oval flan - Type 28f

Obv EDWARDVS REX AN

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

0.31g,11.07mm

1485 Henry VII hammered silver half penny - Cross furchee - Open crown

Obv HENRIC *** REX

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

0.39g,12.55mm

1532-42 Henry VIII hammered silver groat - arrow mintmark

First period - London, Tower (POSUI)

1430-34 Henry VI hammered silver half groat -Pinecone Mascle issue

Rev VILLA/CALISIE - Calais mint

1509-26 Henry VIII hammered silver groat - Portcullis crowned initial mark

Portrait of Henry VII but name of Henry VIII

1509-26 Henry VIII hammered silver groat - Portcullis crowned initial mark

Portrait of Henry VII but name of Henry VIII

Medieval finial

WWI Trench art

Georgian mount with single screw fixing

Medieval knife pommel

1816 George III milled silver sixpence

Military button ?

One piece Navy button

HONI SOIT QUI MAN Y PENSE

PACKET

Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)

RN - Packet Service
( Mail & Supplies Delivery )

c.1800-1811
Firmin & Co

17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

1247 Henry III hammered silver short cross penny - Class 7b

Obv HENRICVS REX

Rev IOAN ON CANT - Moneyer Ioan of Canterbury

1602 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat - 2 mint mark - 7th issue

Georgian watch winder

RN Flag Officer - 1812
Left Leaning Stock
In use 1812 - 1827

2nd C Roman bronze coin- sent off for ID

Post medieval lead bale seal

1413-22 Henry V hammered silver penny - Initial mark mullet

Obv CIVIT/TAS/DVR/ENE - Durham mint

1279 Edward 1st hammered silver penny - Class 5a

Obv **** ANGL DNS HYB

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1794 Halfpenny of Lancaster

OBVERSE: IOHN OF GAUNT DUKE OF LANCASTER. Star under bust. A flaw gives an impression of a nose-ring. REVERSE: Shield with lion. LANCASTER HALFPENNY 1792. EDGE: PAYABLE IN LANCASTER LONDON OR BRISTOL

1696 William III milled silver sixpence love token overstamped F*F

Georgian fob seal holder top

1939 George VI milled silver sixpence

1341 Edward III hammered silver Florin penny - annulet stop after R on Obv

Obv EDWAR ANGL ***

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

2ndC Roman bronze coin- sent off for ID

3rdC Roman bronze - sent off for ID

1279 Edward 1st hammered silver penny

Obv **** ANGL DNS HYB

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1639-40 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat - Triangle mint mark - Tower mint under Charles

These are in the Roman ref book as military mounts- metal looks to good to be Roman

Geogian silver thimble

Post medieval lead bale seal

Great find 1846 Victorian 'New houses of Parliament' token

C.S Barry Esq Arch

Coninental copper coin ?

Unusual 2ndC Roman bronze coin

1199 King John hammered silver short cross cut halfpenny - Class 5b

Obv HENRICVS REX

MONEYER Gifrie of Norwich

Medieval decorated purse bar

1500 -1650 solid silver buckle - reported to museum as treasure

GPO - General Post Office - Don't look like a QVCPoss' ERII crown

17thC Charles II silver button - report to museum as treasure

1354-1355 Edward III hammered silver groat - Series E, fleur de lys on breast and tressures

Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

4.04g, 26.45mm


1300-10 Edward II hammered silver farthing - New issue inner circles both sides - Type 28 Obv +EDWARDVS REX Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint		1310-14 Edward II hammered silver halfpenny - Type 12, New obverse legend Obv +EDWARDVS REX Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint 0.57g, 14.88mm

1413-22 Henry V hammered silver penny - mullet to left of crown, annulet by right of crown Durham mint		Nicolò Tron (1471-1473) Venetian soldino hammered silver coin Nicolò Tron (1471-1473) Obv: NI.TRON VS.DVX. Paolucci 4, Papadopoli 17 0.26g, 12.11mm

1864 Victorian milled silver 3 pence		1327 Edward III hammerd silver florin penny Obv EDWARDVS REX ANG Obv VIL/LAR/ADI/NGY - Reading mint

1199 King John hammered silver short cross penny Rev HEN/RIO/NLV/NDE - Moneyer Henri of London		1625-6 Charles 1st hammered silver penny - Cross Calvary mint mark

4thC Roman coin sent for ID		4thC Roman coin sent for ID 16.67mm, 1.41g You're correct that this coin has a Shewolf & Twins reverse which is typically found on the VRBS ROMA, City of Rome commemorative, reduced-module folles introduced around 330 AD., at the time Constantinople became the official seat of Constantine's government. These have a helmeted and mantled bust of the allegorical personification of the City of Rome facing left on their obverses. At approximately 17mm (although at 1.41gm, it's on the light side) it's most likely from the emissions of c 330-333/5, rather than the later ones of 333/5-337 which tended to be even smaller. At some mints, they were even continued as a type past the death of Constantine in 337, although often paired with a "Vota" or a GLORIA EXERCITVS soldiers & standard reverse rather than the wolf & twins. This atypical use of a subject other than an Imperial bust on the obverse was a convenient political "dodge" for cities which hadn't necessarily declared-for or been brought securely into the fold of one or another of Constantine's sons, who had some "disagreement" about who had inherited what territory or was to rule where, etc. Unfortunately, the exergual area is too far off-flan for me to be able to make an informed guess as to the city of origin - top seriph-tips of a few letters are visible, but not enough to really be able to tell what was intended. For a somewhat clearer view of the type, see: http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album165/52_VRBS_CYZ or: http://www.stoa.org/gallery/album165/57_VRBS_TES and as you can see from the first example, these were originally silver-washed, although the silvering very seldom survives to the present day. Mark

1279 Edward 1st hammered silver penny - Class 10ab Obv +EDWR R ANGL DNS HYB Rev CIVI/TAS/CAN/TOR - Canterbury mint		18thC silver decorated clog fastener

Medieval buckle with chape - 2 rivet fixing		1550 -1650 buckle

Medieval decorated buckle fragment	17thC seal ring	17thC crotal bell with I foundry mark	Georgian button

Roman bronze pin head	Kent regiment cap badge	1340 Shield of France Jetton

Republican Roman silver coin - 'cooking' it to remove horn crust

Huge 2ndC Roman sent off for ID 28.21mm dia x 4.58 mm thick 19.14g This is a sestertius of Marcus Aurelius - 161-180 AD. I don't think I can tell you a lot more on the basis of what I can see here. The reverse shows one of literally dozens of standing female allegorical personifications or minor deities Aurelius used on his coins over the course of 2 decades as Augustus (of course, he had already had 2 decades of extensive coinage before this as Caesar under Antoninus Pius). There aren't any obvious clues as to which it might be. That, and the 2nd half of the obverse legend being missing or illegible means I can't date it more closely than to say this dates to his time as emperor, 1st part of the 2nd half of the 2nd century AD.. Mark		1341 Edward III hammered silver florin penny Obv +EDWR ANGL DNS HYB Obv EDW Rev CIVI/TAS/CAN/TOR - Canterbury mint

Medieval silver bodkin needle - reported to museum as treasure

17thC seal matrix		Taco'd 1351-2 Edward III hammered silver groat - Cross 1
As dug and 'partial cooking' Roman silver coin still 'cooking' it to remove horn crust Huge 4th to 6thC bronze brooch 47.63mm W, 30.66g Either Longbow or Cruciform type

3rd C Roman bronze coin sent off for ID 23.40mm, 4.57g As of Hadrian, 117-138 AD

1816 George III milled silver sixpence		16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny

Georgian gold plated watch winder		C10thC Saxon harness fitting - 2 rivet fixing

Roman writing stylus		17thC mount with 2 integral lugs

1830 Russian lead bale seal		1625 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat






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