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9th Feb 2009 Pickings are slim - posted more finds

Pickings were really slim yesterday although a new field was covered with tons of targets. Most of it was trash but Idaho Jerry and Daryl saved the day with a couple of nice silvers. Daryl is using the new E Trac and it continues to be very impressive with this is his 3rd tiny silver of the week so far. The silver Roman found yesterday is now in the 'cooker' to remove the thick crust that grows on early Roman's. In the picture below where the coin is fractured you can see the thick crust clearly. I have posted more finds to the latest finds page.2009 Feb finds

Roman silver coin fragment - 'cooking' it to remove 'hornsilver' crust

Very interesting hammered silver penny - 17.36mm, 1.06g

1341 AD Edward III florin type CIVI/TAS/DVN/ELN - Durham mint - note the crozier to one limb of cross in inset (after ELN)


Interesting small foreign silver coin with a copper tinge 16.71mm,0.42g - need to check World coin book


Straightened 1279 Edward 1st hammered silver penny - Cross potent Class 1d


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1.23g, 18.82mm





8th Feb 2009 First hammered silver

Orv thought he had found a rough old Elizabeth penny in the dark but when he washed it up he suprised to have found one of the tinest hammered coins there are, an Edward II 1/4 penny in superb shape. Ohio Scott made an amazing couple of early copper finds in the same area, two 1674 Charles II farthings. These are real hard to find in any kind of legible condition and he got two with the dates showing next to each other.



Tiny 1307 Edward II hammered silver farthing (1/4 pence) Type 28 - 12.44mm, 0.29g


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

2- 1674 Charles II milled copper farthings


7th Feb 2009 First hammered silver

Some great bits and pieces turning up including our first hammered silver coins of the season. Min Daryl has swapped his old machine for the new E Trac and found two really crisp coins, Venetian Soldino and a mint Commonwealth penny. Min Mindy pulled up our first ever cut 1/4 Henry II Tealby coin and a rough Elizabeth 1st six pence. I have started a new hunt page and uploaded more finds to the page. 2009 Febfinds including a couple of really crisp 17thC hammered copper trade farthing. Trade farthings.

I have updated the forum competition page with the latest milled silver count.

Stunning 1649 Commonwealth hammered silver penny

Venetian Soldino hammered silver coin 0.26g,12.08mm

Rev: LAVS TIBI SOLI (Thee Alone be Praised). Haloed figure of Christ holding a cross.

Obv: LE LAV DVX S M V (Leonardo Lauredan, Doge. St Mark of Venice.) Doge kneeling before Saint Mark.

1158- 1180 Henry II Tealby cross and crosslets hammered silver cut qtr penny
17th hammered copper trade farthing - Daniel Walker of Woodbridge Suffolk - Grocer

6th Feb 2009 Guys first day back - nice relics

Hunts are finally underway again but the ground has been very wet. The guys therefore picked a grass field near one of our new Roman areas that we have never hunted. It produced some interesting finds including a really chunky C 10thC Saxon harness check piece found by Min Mindy, two Roman bronzes with some detail and a bottom fragment of would have been a spectacular Roman enameled head stud type fibula brooch. The guys found 4 late milled silver including 2 large silver florins (24 pence) and the usual, copper and buttons etc . I will start a new hunt page and start uploading more finds shortly.


Incomplete harness strap distributor (probably a bridle cheek piece) of the late Anglo-Saxon to early Norman period

ROMAN (Certain) to ROMAN (Certain), Circa 75 AD - Circa 200 AD bottom part of the same type of enameled brooch below found earlier in the season

ROMAN (Certain) to ROMAN (Certain), Circa 75 AD - Circa 200 AD

Object Type: Head stud Brooch
Help Incomplete copper alloy ‘Roman ‘head stud’ brooch. What survives is the upper part only. The wings are semi-cylindrical, short and one wing is truncated. The spring fixing lug is broken, the spring and pin are entirely missing. A small worn knop to the top of the brooch is probably the remains of a chain loop fitting. On the head of the brooch is a worn, raised stud formed of two concentric circles. This may once have been enamelled, though no traces survive. On the surviving portion of the bow are two vertically placed recessed squares, the upper contains red enamel, the lower is empty. These squares presumably continued down the bow. The lower half of the brooch is missing, along with the catchplate. No original surface survives. Exposed surfaces are mid and light green. The broken edges, though not fresh, are not well worn, suggesting damaged occurred in the more recent past. The width of the wings is 20.48mm, the bow is 10.78wide, the brooch is 28.95mm long and weighs 10.68g. Brooches of this type date from about AD 75 to AD 200. Examples can be seein in Hattatt, 1987, Brooches of antiquity, page 123, figure 41.

1st/2ndC Roman bronze sent for ID 29.47mm, 15.03g

3rd/4th C Roman bronze sent for ID 26.44m, 4.89g

1st Feb 2009 4 more days to go - Awards and Prizes

Gold page

Excitement on the members forum is building as we near the kick off to the 2nd half of the season. It is great to start a month earlier this season as the land conditions are just perfect out there, tiny green shoots on pool table flat fields. I went for a drive to see a couple of our farmers and their land is in stunning condition so the coil can be flat on the deck. We still have lots of virginal sites to hotspot and our old ancient lands have compressed nicely over the holiday break. As day light is shorter this time of year we are going with the earlier start time and will be on the fields by 7am, all the guys are coming equipped with night lights if they want to continue to late. Orv and Mindy who are here the first week get to take their Celtic gold coins finds home they found in the first half of the season as their exports were approved. The current gold total for the half season is on par with other seasons and stands at 13 pieces.

Special thanks to all the members for there continued support on the forum keeping it light hearted and fun during the break. Hopefully the first team can get the juices flowing with some more great finds.

Remember if you want to take the new fun 'History Heathen' pub quiz then let me know - Cal Jim is currently in the lead and winning the free trip with a score of 32 out of 50 questions answered correctly .

Atlanta Mike is currently winning the 'Coin hunter of the year' award with a superb total.

Guys have yet to vote for the 'find of the year' but there are some clear monster finds in the running to win.

Both the Wayne Otto and Canadian Greg memorial awards will be decided on in April.

Free forum competition to guess the number of milled found this season stands at 158 and Ark Mary is in the lead. Prize is a free trip and you can check your guesses at that link.



More fixed members coins posted on the coin straightening page

1247 Henry III hammered silver voided long cross - Type IIIa

Moneyer Nicole of London

1247 Henry III hammered silver voided long cross half penny


1217 Henry III hammered silver short cross 1/2 penny - class 6b2

Moneyer Pieres of London

1533-42 Henry VIII hammered silver groat - arrow mintmark

31st Jan 2009 More unpublished finds and fixed coins

I have just about finished uploading the last of the unpublished finds out of the export pouches. There is a very interesting widget which appears to be a kind of Roman protected loop terret but feels more medieval. Luckily I am dropping the last of the finds for recording and ID to the museum next week so I will include it in the bag. A couple of really rare finds include our first ever Commonwealth period trade weight and a medieval spur with only 4 spikes which is not in my ref books.

Medieval spur rowel - not seen this type in ref books with only 4 spikes - one for the museum
17thC lead trade token - EF

1649 Commonwealth trade weight - Crown shield cipher

First one of this period we have found

Interesting very thick copper 1820 Denmark Skilling Species

Can't find it in the World coin books - any idea ?

Above average condition 1670 Charles II copper farthing


Fascinating piece - concaved copper alloy 61.14mm W x 32.89mm H . It kind of feels like a Roman terret type arrangement or even one of those Medieval bucket type handles with a broken loop - one for the museum


1464/5 Edward IV hammered silver penny - Type VIIi - 0.93g, 18.07mm


Rev CIVI/TAS/EBO/RACI - York Mint - Archiepiscopal issue


1356-61 Edward III hammered silver groat - Initial cross 3

Needs straightening to decide on the type

rev CIVI/TAS/EBO/RACI York mint

22.24mm, 1.73g

1352-53 Edward III hammered silver penny - pre treat period series D - annulets in all 4 qtrs on obv


Rev CIVI/TAS/***/*ON- London minttype



30th Jan 2008 More great repairs - exports completed

Archived a chunk of this news page to speed up load times Sept 2008 to Nov 2008

All export applications have been made for the first half of the season and you should all have your word documents e-mailed to you over the next couple of days with detailed finds lists and coloured pictures of all your finds. Special thanks to the guys at export duty for their exceptionally fast turnaround time with application approval. The new procedure of annotating those finds due to go into the museum is working really well.

Penn Christies silver annular brooch was reported as treasure but eventually disclaimed by the British Museum and returned to her. It is our first trial of an artefact being repaired and what a stonking job he made of it and he even cleaned it for us !! I have updated the coinstraightening page with the latest fixed items and a huge 1549 -51 Edward VI hammered silver shilling which in one piece would have been a monster find.

Penn Christies annular silver brooch repaired and he even cleaned it !


Edward III 1344-51 hammered silver florin penny


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

16.74mm, 0.99g

1279 Edward 1st hammered silver florin penny -class 10cf3


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

1.35g, 18.25mm



1570 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 6 pence - castle mint mark

1351-2 Edward III hammered silver groat (4 pence) Inital mark

Cross 1 - 4.43g,25.69mm


rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint


1351-1361 Edward III hammered silver groat (4 pence) - pre treaty 3rd coinage


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

26.29mm, 4.26g

29th Jan 2008 Coins back from repair - more finds and updates

I picked up 35 of the guys repaired coin finds today from our goldsmith and he has done a remarkable job again. I have posted a couple below as an example and I will post the rest as I clean them up and re- photo them. However our first two ever coins broke during the annealing and straightening process, an Irish Edward 1st and a Medieval short cross penny. Both of these coins were folded and squashed flat and unfortunately are of a very low silver content type. We discussed the way forward to repairing them and because the folded edge is concave he will file the edge flat and silver solder the two halves together. It will be interesting to see the results of this technique as we have success in the past joining a tiny broken medieval cut half penny.


1619 -25 James 1st hammered gold Quarter-laurel - 2.24g, 19.46mm 2nd coinage


1507-9 Henry VII Regular profile issue hammered silver groat - Triple banded crown - Pheon initial mark

2.90g, 27.51mm




1472 Edward IV hammered silver groat Type 10 , initial mark sun both sides, trefoils by neck, long cross fitchee


Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

25.18mm, 2.79g



Local government button ?

Tibson & Newby


Metropolitan Steamship Cº
In use 1866 - 1911
Ship's Officer Button


W.Jackson & Co London

58 Gracechurch St

Unrecorded Royal Artillery button


Royal Corp of Engineers

1911 - 1935

Uploading Georgian military artefacts to our foundintheground database

27th Jan 2009 PC died for a few days - sorted out the library - ordering books

Just over a week now to the start of the 2nd half of the season.

I have been offline for a few days as my main PC power supply suddenly died. I was able to use my laptop for answering e-mail etc but it is not up to the job of updating our site. It is now fixed so I can get on with more exports and updates. I took the spare time to sort out our reference library as those last 13 volumes we bough have literally pushed it off the edge. I went and saw a local pine company who making us up a large made to measure bookcase that will fit all the large volumes perfectly, should be here in a few days. I have also been reading through some of the fascinating information contained with these new books and guys have shown interest in buying a set as they are such fantastic value. Senior member Tenn Brad, who has just started his degree in Archeology at Leicester University, having been sponsored by our club has asked me to ship him a full set. They are far too heavy to mail so I have bought another spare set for him to take home on the plane after his next hunt. The Archeology trust that stocks these books is only a 15 minute drive away from my house so they are easy to pick up. If you would also like a set then drop me a mail and I will have it ready for collection by you on your next trip.


23rd Jan 2009 More exports and finds - pound drops again to 1.36

Canadian Rod our club historian is currently updating the laminated master map with all the new land ready for the start of the 2nd half of the season. He has also been researching the new land and found some remarkable features including another recorded medieval fair and a Roman villa. The map will be available to view shortly.

More exports licenses arrived approved yesterday so most of the guys returning in the 2nd half of the season can now take their export pouches home. I have another meeting with the museum in 2 weeks to drop off more finds for recording and further analysis and pick up the ones that have so far been recorded on to the PAS database. There might be an element that will still with the museum or with the coin straighteners, so take home the bulk of your exports and send me back you export license and I will post those few back by surface mail when they are ready.

Mass Bruce had a great collection of 18thC Royal artillery buttons in his export pouch and an unrecorded early 28th regiment of foot , Colchester has been a garrison town since the Romans and the area we hunt has had amazing amount of military activity. I have updated Army numbered regiment page on the site. Numbered regiments

Early one piece 28th Regiment of foot pewter button- not in ref books or Troiana

Some how I missed recording his really early coin weight on our coin weight page - just updated it now

1422- 61 Bronze uniface Crowned Three lis in shield French Ecu gold coin weight. No Letters by the shield indicate English version.


Nice group of one piece 18thC Royal Artillery buttons

This is an interesting piece below I have been researching which I initially thought was a Roman latch key with the broken loop on the end. I have however found the exact type recorded in CAR report volume 5 Fig 66; 2989 as a Roman to post Roman balance (scale with beam arms of equal length). The arm has the same punched dots clearly visible on Mass Bruce's find.

'The lack of any marks to separate the punched dots into groups probably indicates that each dot represents one pound, thus making it impossible to distinguish between Roman and post Roman weights'




Roman balance arm - punched markings along stem -103.46 mm L

Another interesting find is this silver decorated clog fastener hallmarked with the makers name and George II bust duty paid impression.

18thC silver decorated clog fastener maker WI WW -Wakely & Wheeler London - George II duty paid bust

19th Jan 2009 More finds - Huge Celtic gold hoard found - Pounds drops to 1.38 to the dollar

This world recession is certainly a bonus to hunting here as the dollar hit another all time high now today at 1.38 to the pound. As we are priced in pounds this makes us the cheapest detecting tour in the world now and over $800 to $1000 cheaper per week than the other UK tours. The Canadian dollar is only 1.75 and the Euro 1.07 which makes us 30% cheaper than last season. Buy them pounds now and make a killing on a trip. Slots are running out fast so check out what's left on this page. Remember you can book and pay for your trip now for next season and take full advantage of the ridiculously low exchange rate and cheap airfares.

A huge Celtic gold coin hoard has been found locally here but unfortunately not by us, what an amazing find. It certainly gets the juices following for the start of the hunts on the 5th Feb. We have found several Celtic gold hoards here but not in that magnitude.

One of the UK's largest hauls of Iron Age gold coins has been found in Suffolk.

The 824 so-called staters were found in a broken pottery jar, click here for full story

I have just posted more export find lists and pictures on the members forum and updated the club records page with 2 new entries. This is the page of the oldest, largest, biggest etc found by the club Records Page


GA Harry had a couple of nice bonus lead finds in his export pouch. The trade weight is a Henry VII or VIII with the crown hallmark (Ref Rogers) dating to around 1509 - 1547 AD, next to it is his 15th C lead token find. He also had this neat 18thC winged barrel key complete and unbroken.


We record every Roman coin found here including the 'grots' as there is a project at the museum to plot the spread of Roman coins found in Essex. The one below was found by Chicago Ron and this is how they are recorded on the PAS database.


PAS database Ref ESS-FA7CA4

Object Type: Coin
Help Roman copper alloy coin; Nummus of Valens (possibly)


Coin-specific information
Denomination: nummus (AE 1 - AE 4)
Denomination Qualifier: Certain
Ruler: Valens (Roman: 364-378 )
Ruler Qualifier: Possibly
Reece Period: 19
Status: Regular
Status Qualifier: Certain
Obverse Description: Diadem bust facing right
Obverse Inscription: DN [?VALENS PF AVG]
Reverse Description: Unclear figure - ?Victory advancing left
Reverse Inscription: Illegible
Reverse Mintmark: Illegible
Degree of wear: Worn: fine
Die Axis Measurement: 12 o'clock
Die Axis Certainty: Certain


17th Jan 2009 Halved this news page - more updates

I have been updating the award and prizes page with latest pics of awards up for grabs this year and last years winners pictures.

A huge wad of 19 approved export license arrived this morning, finders list posted on members forum. Here are two more of our latest finds entered onto the national PAS database. Both were found by Chicago Ron on a new Roman area he and his team discovered in the first half of the season on new land.

Pas entry ESS-FBA194

LATE IRON AGE (Certain) to ROMAN (Certain), Circa 1 AD - Circa 200 AD

Help Incomplete Roman copper alloy cosmetic mortar. The mortar is crescent shaped in profile and V-shaped in section as it is hollow. There is a globular knop to one end, whilst the opposite end is damaged and truncated. To the underneath of the object are two slight knops which are all that remain of the suspension loop. The original surface is missing and exposed surfaces are much abraded. They are light green in colour. Damaged edges are worn, suggesting damaged occurred in antiquity. The mortar is 51.85mm long, 9.75mm wide, 12.78mm high and weighs 12.01g. The mortar is Late iron to Roman in date, c. AD 1-200.


PAs ref ESS-FB7F44

ROMAN (Certain) to ROMAN (Certain), Circa 75 AD - Circa 200 AD

Object Type: Head stud Brooch
Help Incomplete copper alloy ‘Roman ‘head stud’ brooch. What survives is the upper part only. The wings are semi-cylindrical, short and one wing is truncated. The spring fixing lug is broken, the spring and pin are entirely missing. A small worn knop to the top of the brooch is probably the remains of a chain loop fitting. On the head of the brooch is a worn, raised stud formed of two concentric circles. This may once have been enamelled, though no traces survive. On the surviving portion of the bow are two vertically placed recessed squares, the upper contains red enamel, the lower is empty. These squares presumably continued down the bow. The lower half of the brooch is missing, along with the catchplate. No original surface survives. Exposed surfaces are mid and light green. The broken edges, though not fresh, are not well worn, suggesting damaged occurred in the more recent past. The width of the wings is 20.48mm, the bow is 10.78wide, the brooch is 28.95mm long and weighs 10.68g. Brooches of this type date from about AD 75 to AD 200. Examples can be seein in Hattatt, 1987, Brooches of antiquity, page 123, figure 41.

15th Jan 2009 Museum meeting and ID's - more books - PAS find entries

I had a meeting yesterday with the museum to drop off another large batch of finds for recording and further ID. I was lucky that their Bronze age expert was around to look at Canadian Victor's 2000 BC flat axe find. The axe is very small in comparison to the one found by Van Brent and I thought it might be a chisel. Their experts suggests that it is a votive offering or a miniature axe for perhaps ceremonial use of that period 2000 BC, it will probably go off to the experts at the British museum for their views, great find.

The FLO at the museum has seen a complete example of this spoon with the crude etched face and it was dated as 1400's AD which is a great early spoon.

The FLO also ID'd what I thought was a Roman reigns guide as a late Roman period buckle, half the buckle is missing.

This Roman pot foot was confirmed as Roman and a drawing exists within a set of Roman 'Finds from Colchester' Volumes the museum has. They are brilliant ref books so I drove to the Colchester Archaeological Trust  this morning and picked up the 13 books in the set. I have not seen these advertised in any of the book shops I use so here is a link if you want a copy. They cover every aspect from pottery, glass, bones, relics, coins from Roman through Anglo Saxon. They are tremendous value at only £160 for the set direct from them. click on Archaeology reports


Some more light reading for bed time !!

This cut 1/4 hammered was lurking in Vegas Jack's export pouch and is badly debased silver and will not clean up. Luckily it has the part legend RIO which only appears on the reverse of voided long cross pennies of Henry III, On the obverse you can see VS R which is part the legend HENRICVS REX. This is a man in tune with his machine to make this tiny find.


1247 Henry III voided long cross hammered silver cut 1/4 penny

RIO - hE(NRI - hE(N/RIO/NLV/NDE - Moneyer Henry of London Mint

I have the PAS printouts of all our recent finds that have been recorded on the national database. The fibula brooch is an important ID as we have found several in the past and they are casting failers. I will post a load more entries during the week.

PAS entry ESS-FB16B5

LATE IRON AGE (Certain) to EARLY ROMAN (Certain), Circa 20 AD - Circa 50 AD

Object Type: Colchester type One piece Brooch
Help Incomplete copper alloy, one piece ‘Colchester’ type late Iron Age to early Roman brooch. Both wings of the brooch are truncated. The forward facing hook is truncated and worn. Behind the head of the brooch the short backward hook is also truncated and worn and the integral pin coil and shaft are entirely missing. The bow is sub circular in section. It is complete and ends in a blunt point. The catch plate is entirely missing. The brooch is abraded and nothing of the original surface survives. Exposed surfaces are light green. The break edges are worn smooth suggesting damage occurred in antiquity. The width of the wings is 8.7mm. The bow is 3.91mm wide at the broadest point. The brooch is 27.65mm long and weighs 1.69grams. Brooches of this type date from 20-50AD. An example can be seen in Crummy 1983, The Roman small finds from excavations in Colchester, figure 6, number 38.



MEDIEVAL (Certain) to MEDIEVAL (Certain), Circa 1200 AD - Circa 1400 AD

Object Type: Shield-Shaped Mount
Help Complete, cast copper alloy, medieval, shield shape mount with hook. The upper part of the object is formed by the shield-shaped mount that is decorated to each side with a white enamelled swan advancing left. There are tiny traces of gilt in the surrounding field. At the pointed end of the shield is an integral sub square collar, also with traces of gilt. From beneath this extends an integral, vertical hook, with a short, shallow hooked end. The original surface is missing and exposed surfaces are light green. The purpose of this object is unknown, though the shield is clearly meant to be viewed vertically. A good parallel can be found in Griffiths, 1989, Shield-shaped mounts, Finds Research Group 700-1700 Data sheet 12, page 4, number 14. It is 13th or 14th century in date. The object has a total length of 61.33mm and weighs 19.6g. the shield mount is 21.42mm wide and 25.31mm long. The collar is 12.41mm wide and 11.47mm thick. The hook portion is 30.23mm long.

13th Jan 2009 'Lead is your friend' - more approved exports

I have just posted more approved export licenses received this morning onto the members forum.

Various lead token finds this season

We have a saying here that 'lead is your friend' as it might be a pain in the butt to dig obscure chunks but so many great finds are made of lead like Pilgrims items, weights, lead shot, early tokens etc. I have just completed Ark Gary's export pouch and originally I thought this was a lead prism standing weight but it is a 1/2 pound Medieval lead shield weight with three prancing lion symbols on it. The David Rogers lead weight book shows has an exact match Page 37 Fig 86 - Three Lions passant guardant to the right in a border with bezant above. What a great find. This is only our 2nd ever lead shield weight we have found, the first one was found by Cal Jim on the same new site we just started searching this season.

Medieval lead shied weight - Lion facing left

His Medieval lead token find is based on the long cross hammered silver pennies of the period and this example has three pellets in each quadrant exactly like an Edward 1st penny Circa 13th C. This is a type 2 using the Powell 32 classification system for lead tokens.

Medieval shield 1/2 pound lead weight-48.3mm W x 56.09 mm H x 13.69mm L next to a Medieval lead token - long cross and pellet Type 2

Roman lead slingshot and medieval lead plumbob

I have just uploaded more complete find lists and export pictures onto the members forum

1**. Roman bronze coin Trajan Sestertius (98-117 AD)
2. Henry VI 1422-27 Hammered silver half groat - Calais mint - Annulet issue
3. 1922 George V milled silver sixpence
4. Edward III 1344-51 hammered silver florin penny
5. 1727 George II milled silver sixpence – love token
6. 1696 William III milled silver sixpence
7. 1582-4 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny - A mintmark 6th issue
8. Edward III 1344-51 hammered silver florin penny
9. 1561 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver three pence - Pheon mintmark
10. 1427-30 Henry VI hammered silver groat - Rosette Mascle issue
11. 1572-3 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat - Lis mintmark 4th issue
12. 1634 Charles 1st hammered copper rose farthing
13. Post 1709 silver button
14 **. C10thC Saxon key with broken suspension loop
16. 1865 Victorian milled silver shilling
17. Spanish 1786 Charles IIII milled silver reale
18. 1696 William III milled silver sixpences
19. 1696 William III worn milled silver shilling
20. 1696 William III  milled silver shilling

11th Jan 2009 ID help and foundintheground forums - more unpublished finds

I keep getting dozens of e-mail from guys wanting help with find ID's by e-mail. I never open attachments due to all the viruses going around so unless you post them on the foundintheground forums I cannot answer your questions. is our finds database and a forum to log all our outstanding unknowns. If you can ID any of the outstanding finds then you win a free finds tray There are multiple forums for all the different type of finds for ID from Military buttons to Roman.

Marianchem just posted a really neat find from Serbia on the forum thinking it was Roman. It is in fact a 16thC Tudor period pin and amazingly in one piece. We have found two pin heads of that style which were sent to the British museum as treasure, they were dated as 16thC.



If you have not received a reply to any mail then post your find on our ID forums and we will try and help you.

More unpublished finds below from the export pouches.

Interesting, I just noticed that this find (left) from PA Jeff's export pouch matches a find earlier in the season. Both are of similar design and show wear to the inner face. I already have the first one bagged up to drop off to the museum this week so I will take along both for their views. I have feeling that they are reigns guides showing traces of iron inserts to screw into wood.
Unusual Roman period pot foot
Unusual Georgian bowl leg and foot
19thC coin weight with London Guildhall and Ewer hallmarks

Capt / Commander - 1774-1787

Back Mark - G Turner, St Martins Lane

19thc Great Eastern railway and steamship company button

Great shape 18thC Royal Artillery button

Officer & O/R's - 1790-1802


George Rex button GR

Royal Horse Artillery

Back mark Firmin & Co London - Early 19thC

10th Jan 2009 First exports back - Serious hard core hunt for Nov 09

The clock is ticking down for the start of the season and I still have a dozen or so exports to complete yet, I will just get them finshed and it is time to start all over again ! I have already received the first batch of the approved export licenses and I have posted the names on the members forum. We have lots of interesting new areas to explore in the 2nd half of the season including two potentially really exciting Roman sites, members are getting well stoked.



Louisiana Sal (mudslideslim) is planning his next trip and is one of our 'hard core' breed of detectorists that come here. He has booked the week 16th Nov to 23rd Nov 2009 and is going to run a serious hard core Barn hunt next season. He just dropped me a mail with the details and has a couple of free slots. Check out Sal's unique finds from the field video's. Also check out his own detecting video web site Drop Sal an e-mail for more info. You must be HARDCORE to join this hunt as there will be no finishing early. However you can always take a day off and stay in the Barn and soak in the hot tub !!

Fellow Hardcore Hunters,
The hunt is set for next year and y'all are invited.  This promises to be a HARDCORE 12 hour detecting day relic hunt on the ancient fields of England.  I had a great hunt this time and was able to bring home my 640 AD Saxon gold coin, too!  After doing this for two years, I have a good feel for the area and have kept detailed records of where the good finds have been made.  All fields are regularly deep ploughed and rolled flat each season.  Each trip has been around this time of year and the weather has been mild with many fields freshly available, plowed, rolled and well compacted.  Y'all take some time to think on it and let me know. Drop me a mail if you are serious hard core.
Details are as follows:
Date: November 16-23, 2009
Detecting Time: 6.5 Days X 12 = approx. 78 hours (this is no joke - we will hunt from sun up until 8-9pm every full day and from 1pm-8pm on the half day.)
Room: 7 bed 5-star barn house - with all the amenities including large hot tub for after a hard day of diggin!
Food: 3 meals a day included
Transportation: all included
Hunt Fees on over 250 large fields: included
Price: approx $1225 for the week (exchange rate varies)
Exportation Submission and Processing: Included
Airfare: Not included

9th Jan 2009 Repairs to coins and ring brooch

I just posted more export find lists and pictures to the members forum including Chicago Reid's monster sized pouch. There were some great bonus do dads in the pouches I will post later.

I took a huge batch of 35 members coin finds into our Gold Smith be repaired, it includes that stonking James 1st gold. Within the last batch to be repaired we trialed having a broken hammered medieval cut half penny silver joined and it was a great success. This time we have a small Henry VIII penny broken into 3 small pieces to be joined together so it will be a great test of his skills. I also took in a disclaimed treasure of a annular brooch that Pen Christy found to be straightened. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I will be posting pictures of before and after shots again on the Coin straightening page

Plough damaged coins

7th Jan 2009 More missed finds and new export procedure

I agreed a new procedure today with the BM to make it easier for the advisors that approve the export license to see the finds that are currently with or due to go to the museum FLO for recording from the sheets. Here is the first sheet of Vegas Mike's pouch where item's 12 and 14 are due to be recorded. On you export documents you will see this annotation now.

Metal detecting finds for export found Sept 2008. Location East of Colchester. All important finds recorded with PAS, Celtic Coin Register and Fitzwilliam museum. Finds marked with ** are with or due to taken to Colchester FLO Laura McLean. Hardcopy of list with Export forms posted to MLA.

1. 1584 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver sixpence - A mint mark 6th issue
2. 1582 - 84 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat (2 pence)- A mint mark 6th issue
3. 1574 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat (2 pence)- Acorn mint mark 4th issue
4. 1826 William IIII trade weight - London Crown W 6.87g
5. 16th C Henry VIII trade weight - Crown h mark London
6. 19th C T.C Nunn stores £1 token- Wix
7. 1872 Victorian milled silver shilling
8. 1770’s silver Navy Lieutenant button
9. 1770’s silver Navy Lieutenant button
11 **. 4th C Roman bronze coin - illegible
12 ** . Roman bronze decorated Amphora strap end 44.38mm L x 23.89 W 17.23g
14 **. 1st C Celtic wode grinder - 'bull head' type with broken suspension loop
15. Georgian bell type trade weight
16. Medieval bronze pot fragment
17. Georgian watch winder
18. 17th C mount with 2 integral lugs
19. 19th C T.C Nunn stores ½ guinea token- Wix
20. 16thC copper alloy jewelry clasp

It is interesting to note that Mike found another two silver buttons with Rose designs. A few months ago the British Museum were uncertain as to the age of these finds so a whole bunch of ours plus a pair of cufflinks with the same design were sent off to their experts. They were disclaimed as not being pre 1708 to be declared treasure. I believe that these are actually Royal Navy Lieutenant - 1748 pattern as they have a striking similarity to base pewter RN buttons of that period






Royal Navy Lieutenant - 1748 pattern



I have posted another missed milled silver coin to the forum competition total.







Roman 4th legion military hinged strap buckle – cast marked IV – 2 rivet fixing

Legio IV Macedonica ("from Macedonia"), was a Roman legion levied by Julius Caesar in 48 BC with Italian legionaries. The legion was disbanded in 70 by Emperor Vespasian. The legion symbols were a bull (as with all of Caesar's legions) and a capricorn[1].

In 48 BC, the Roman Republic was decaying rapidly. Caesar had crossed the Rubicon River in the year before, starting a civil war. Pompey, Cato the younger and the rest of the conservative faction of the senate had fled to Greece. Caesar was preparing to follow in pursuit and, among other preparations, levied Legio IV. The first battles of the legion were Dyrrhachium and Pharsalus, where Caesar defeated Pompey. After this, the legion was stationed in the province of Macedonia, attaining thus its cognomen.

IV Macedonica sided always with Julius Caesar's adopted son, Octavian, first against Caesar's murderers in the Battle of Philippi in 42 BC, then against Mark Antony in the naval Battle of Actium in 31 BC.

Octavian, now Augustus, sent the legion to Hispania Tarraconensis in 30 BC, to take part in the Cantabrian Wars. After Augustus' victory in 13 BC, the legion remained in the province, but its effectives were spread through the Iberian Peninsula.

In 43, the legion was transferred to Germania Superior, to replace XIV Gemina as the garrison of Moguntiacum (modern Mainz). Along with XXII Primigenia, the legion supported Vitellius, governor of Germania Superior, in the Year of the Four Emperors (69), first against Otho, then Vespasian, who would become emperor in the end.

During the Batavian rebellion (69/70), IV Macedonica secured Mainz and fought under Potillius Cerealis against the rebels. Their actions deserved no reproach but Vespasian did not trust its men, probably due to their support for Vitellius. The legion was disbanded in 70, but reconstituted shortly afterwards under the name of Legio IIII Flavia Felix.

Medieval hanger with circule and enamel design




Neat 20th pressed copper harness hanger - marked Knight patent
Medieval lead shield type hanging weight/pendant
16thC Tudor jewelry clasp

THE 27th (Inniskilling) REGIMENT OF FOOT



Our first 53rd Regiment of foot buttons - Shropshire Reg - Post 1881

RN Capt / Commander - 1812

Maker Mark M.S & J.D

Treble gilt - Standard Color

Interesting button - left facing stock but with American spelling of colour. MS & JD were British button makers of the 19thC

5th Jan 2009 More exports and finds - cheap flights - month to the kick off

Just under a month now to the kick off for the 2nd half of the detecting season. We are starting a month earlier this season as guys have requested special hunts due to school holidays and farming schedules back in the USA and Canada. We have a full crew now for the first 5th Feb hunt but have a couple of free slots still on the 14th Feb hunt if anyone wants to join. Our club historian Canadian Rod is here that week armed with all the latest research and new maps of the land if you are really in to history. Chicago Ron is running a Barn house hunt on the 20th March to 27th March and 27th March to 3rd April. One of his guy has just had a triple by pass op and cannot make it so there is also a free slot with Ron for either those two weeks or both. Drop me a mail if you are interested

Guys have been posting on the members forum really good cut price air fair deals they have been getting to the UK at the moment. Michigan Chris posted this link. Cheap airfairs and the pound still at 1.45 to the dollar, this recession is great news for taking a trip here.

'I was just notified that is having an airfare sale if you book by Jan. 7 for flights up through April.

My tickets have been purchased already for a flight from my hometown to Detroit, and then to London. They cost me $694. I checked for the new price and apparently flights from Chicago to London are on sale because the new ticket price going through Chicago instead is $585. Heck of a deal, I think.

Just thought I'd pass it on.' Chris

'That is cheap, $582 round trip from Arkansas.
It's amazing $193 for the flight and $379 for taxes'


I am still busy compiling the export paperwork for the first half of the season. Just uploaded more find sheets and pictures to the members forum. Some more interesting pieces in the export pouches including what looked like just a plain spoon handle. On closer examination it has an early crude decoration of a face. I already have a bunch of finds to take to the museum next week for recording and evaluation so I will include this handle shaped piece for their views. There was a particularly interesting early crotal bell in great condition with a heart shaped foundry mark I have not seen before.

1. 1274 Edward 1st hammered silver penny - Class 10ab
2. 1356-1361 Edward III hammered silver groat (4 pence)- Standard F type - annulet in third qtr
3. 1216 Henry III hammered silver cut half penny - Class 7b Moneyer SIMVND - Bury Mint
4. 1696 William II milled silver sixpence love token
5. Hammered silver coin - fragment
6. Magnentius 352-353 AD. "Chi-Rho" or Christogram
7. 16thC Elizabeth 1st hammered silver half groat
8. 17thC mount with 2 integral lugs
9. Georgian bullion cup weight
10. 1377 -1399 Richard II hammered silver halfpenny - type 2b
11. 17thC mount with 2 integral lugs
13. Victorian pewter medallion
14. Victorian copper medallion
15. 17th C lead trade token - anchor
16. 1st /2nd C Roman bronze coin - illegible
17. 1st /2nd C Roman bronze coin - illegible
18. 1st /2nd C Roman bronze coin - illegible
19. 1836 Russian bale seal
20. Medieval hammered silver penny

Crude face and decoration on this piece ?
Fantastic condition decorated crotal bell with a heart foundry mark
17th lead trade token - anchor mark
Large Georgian lead carriage crest - Lion facing left

31st Dec 2008 More exports and unpublished finds

More complete find lists published on members forum including Can Gord's amazing pouch with that very rare Celtic gold find. Texas Rob had a stunning Saxon strap end in his pouch of an unusual design which I will be taking to the museum for recording and feedback. He also had both the early Navy button types, with and without crowns, that I posted below.

1. Georgian spur buckle
2. 1490-1504 Henry VII hammered silver sovereign penny, No initial mark Archbishop Rotherham issue - key beneath shield
3. 1475 French uniface gold 'ecu au soleil' coin weight - Hexagonal French issue with sun above 3 lis in a shield
4. Georgian watch winder/fob seal
5. 16th C Tudor button
6. 1819 George III milled silver 6 pence
7. 1854 Victorian milled silver 3 pence
8. 50 BC Trinovantes Celtic gold stater 16.76mm,5.89g  recorded as CCI 08.9338
9. 1815 Bank of England issue George III milled silver 1 shilling and 6 pence (18 pence)
10. 19th C 48th regiment of foot button
11. 4th C Roman bronze coin - illegible
12. Constantine Roman bronze - 335-345 AD GLORIA EXERCITVS
13. 1687 James II milled silver 3 pence
14. 1900 Victorian milled silver Florin (24 pence)
15. Medieval lead pilgrims badge
16. 19thC 97th Regiment of foot button
17. 17th C hooked mount
18. Medieval lead shield weight
19. Medieval lead token


RN Capt / Commander - 1812 with crown

RN Capt / Commander - 1787 without crown

1625 Charles 1st penny
2nd C Roman bronze coin
1572 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 3 pence


Saxon bronze strap end - 2 rivet fixing 50.77mm L x 16.98 mm W x 4.18 mm T


29th Dec 2008 More exports and ID's


I have just updated the hoard and treasure page with the latest disclaimed treasures.




Just uploaded more export sheets and find lists to the members forum. Tenn Brad had an amazing hunt again this season with the possible 'find of the year' Medieval gold statue and an amazing array of other great finds. He found a a great set of larger hammered silver coins.





1. 1573 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 6 pence - Acorn mintmark 4th issue
2. 1559 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver groat (4 pence) - Lis mintmark 1st issue
3. 1351-2 Edward III hammered silver groat (4 pence) Initial mark Cross 1
4. 1351-1361 Edward III hammered silver groat (4 pence) - pre treaty 3rd coinage
5. 1464/5 Edward IV hammered silver penny - Type VIIi - 0.93g, 18.07mm
6. 1549 -51 Edward VI hammered silver shilling (12 pence) - Long cross fourchee over Royal cross
7. 1582-4 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 3 pence - 'A' mintmark
8. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny Class 8a
9. 1194 -1199 AD Richard 1st hammered silver cut half penny - Type 4a Moneyer ALE(IN (Alien of Durham mint)
10. 1272 Edward 1st hammered silver penny - Cross Potent type 3g
11. Medieval hammered silver long cross penny fragment
12. 1490-1500 Henry VII hammered silver half groat - Class IIIc, Tun mintmark, one arch jeweled one arch unjeweled
13. 1341 Edward III hammered silver penny - florin type 1.04g,17.22mm
14. 1649 Commonwealth hammered silver penny
15. 1817 George III milled silver sixpence
16. 1696 William III milled silver sixpence
17. 1857 Victorian milled silver 6 pence
18. 1818 George III milled silver sixpence
19. 1818 George III milled silver sixpence
20. 1891 Victorian milled silver 6 pence


Cal Jim has been doing some great research on one of our medieval heraldic shield pendant finds. He has contacted Bruce Leeming who has been researching his family history.

'I have been researching that shield pendant with the red drops and the red canton, and I believe that I have found the family it belongs too.

I did contact a family genealogist for this family, as I noticed on the genealogy sites that he had information on the coat of arms for this family. I showed him what I had, and he agrees with me that the shield is most likely for his family. ' Jim

Bruce, the family genealogist, sent me the page below that describes the shield, silver shield with droplets of red blood. The Lemming, Leming, Lemyng family were from Essex where the shield was found by Van Brent.

I have nothing in writing that describes what you have.  There are several books that list drops of blood on a shield as being Lemyng or Leming.  I attach some of what I have.
The pendant almost looks like a quartered shield for a son or brother, maybe even representing a marriage.
You certainly find some interesting pieces.


28th Dec 2008 New menu system

I have re vamped the menu system to make it easier to navigate this site. I will test it just on the news page to iron out any broken links, please drop me a mail if you find any problems please.


23rd Dec 2008 Have a great Christmas - More find lists and exports

I want to take the opportunity to wish all the members and readers of this site a very Merry Christmas and thanks for your continued support. The 2nd half of the season starts early this year on the 4th Feb so not too long too wait to the off again. there are still a few slots free if anyone fancies a hunt, check out the availability page. The exchange rate continues to be excellent as the pound is still under 1.50 to the dollar at the moment making these hunts still over 30% cheaper than last season.

I posted a huge batch of export applications off to the MLA today and uploaded more members find lists and pictures to the forum. I am still working on the ID's of outstanding buttons and Michigan Chris posted a neat link of heraldic badges used in Essex that will be of great help, great site Civic Heraldry. The button below is of Harwich origin, not sure what RWM stands for.


ARMS: Gules three Seaxes fessewise in pale Argent pomels and hilts Or points to the sinister and cutting edges upwards.

Granted 15th July 1932.


ARMS: Gules a Portcullis chained Or studded and spiked Azure.
CREST: On a Wreath of the Colours upon waves of the Sea proper an Ancient Ship with one mast Or at the bow and stern Turrets and affixed below the top of the mast a Tower Argent the sail furled of the last and flying to the dexter a Pennon Gules.

Motto 'OMNIA BONA BONIS' - To the good all things are good.
Granted 15th December 1943, to the Harwich Borough Council, but used before this date.

Another couple of very early Jetton finds in the pouches I just cleaned up, both are new types for us. Check out the Jetton page. What looked initially like a grotty 19thC copper also cleaned up to be a really neat find, 1790 Halfpenny Masonic Token.


The 'Field of France' French Jetton, a field bearing numerous fleurs de lis stuck by John the Good 1350- 64 AD

9 fleurs de lis type

1371 Feudal French Jetton – Loraine and Bar type

Norwich Union Society button

Norwich Union was founded in 1797 in Norwich when Thomas Bignold, a 36 year old merchant and banker formed the “Norwich Union Society for the Insurance of Houses, Stock and Merchandise from Fire”. To begin with Norwich Union was formed as a mutual insurer.

During 1808 Thomas Bignold formed a 2nd mutual called Norwich Union Life Insurance Society. In 1823 “Norwich Union Society for the Insurance of Houses, Stock and Merchandise from Fire” demutualised and was absorbed into the Norwich General Assurance Company.

It was normal at the time for insurance companies that insured against fire to have their own fire brigade which were designed to protect only the society’s policyholders property. The last private brigade was given up in 1929 in Worcester.

London (Tower Hill). A 1790 Halfpenny Masonic Token. The central arms surrounded by the legend, "Prince Of Wales Elected Gm. 24 Nov 1790*: reverse, central cherubic triangle, "Wisdom Strength & Beauty" in Italian characters, surrounded by the legend, "Sit Lux Et Lux Fuit". The coin edge cast, "Payable London Or Dublin oxoxoll. Ref: No 26 D&h 369-372 See p.123, ills. 206/207: R.C. Bell: Commercial Coins 1787-1804, Newcastle upon Tyne, 1963

Navy button H.M. Coast Guard
O/R's Button
In use 1820 - 1836 ?

Navy button H.M. Coast Guard
O/R's Button
In use 1820 - 1836 ?

Early pewter Crown and Rose button - could be early Navy

Not sure what type of button this is ?

20th Dec 2008 More unpublished finds from the export pouches

More members export find sheets and photo's uploaded to the members area.

Just uploaded Canadian Gord's interesting feedback, as a newbie hunting here, to the testimonial page

More unpublished finds below including a really tiny Victorian copper with a reverse like a gold sovereign of the period, this must be a token of some sort as it is not a coin in general circulation.


1623-4 James 1st hammered silver half groat - 3rd coinage Lis mintmark
Complete Georgian watch winder and swivel

Tiny Late bust Victorian copper coin in the style of a guinea, probably a token or model coinage - Comparison size to a Victorian crown


13th C Medieval lead coin weight - 4 pellets in each quadrant of a shield - crown above
Prince of Wales feathers button - Army?
Neat Essex button with RWM ?
18thC Interesting hunting mount with single integral lug
Cunard line
1340 AD French jetton - shield of France type with fleur de lis

18th Dec 2008 Early brooch find - more unpublished finds

I had a shock while going through Chicago Ron's pouch getting it ready for export. Ron's 'Barn' team had discovered a Roman settlement on new land this season and I had already taken half a dozen of Ron's stunning Romano/British artefacts like his Celtic wode grinder, enamelled fibular brooch etc into Colchester museum for recording. I noticed this amazing fibular brooch find I had not seen and rang Ron to ask him where he found it, yep last day on the same Roman area along with a Roman bronze coin in quite good shape I had not seen either. I have just looked the brooch up in Richard Hattatt's ancient brooch book and it is possibly the earliest brooch ever found here at 6th to 3rd Century BC Iron age brooch. I am taking a huge batch of finds for ID and recording into Colchester museum so it will be very interesting to see what they eventually date this brooch as.



6th to 3rd Century BC Iron age brooch, some gilding remains 12.20g, 37.99mm H x 6.35mm W

Roman coin - sent for possible ID 18.93mm,2.87g

Mark sent me back this initial ID on the Roman, I am trying to clean it up further to get more crud off the bust to reveal the detail.

Not too much to go on - very little contrast in the photo - but could it be like these? :
Reverse is a small, square altar, surmounted by a banded globe, the altar inscribed: "VOT / IS / XX" or similar?
These usually have the legend on the reverse: 'BEATA TRANQVILLITAS" or some abbreviation thereof, and are known for a number of the members of the family of Constantine: himself, Crispus and Constantine II, but are too early for Constans of Constantius II who weren't created Caesars yet.  They were only struck at the Western European mints, c. 320-323 AD. and not at all for the Licinii, I believe.

I also cleaned up what appeared to be just a nice condition George IV copper coin and was surprised to find the words 'Province of Upper Canada' on the legend. I did some research on the net and it is indeed a Canadian copper token neat relic.

1832  half penny token, province of upper Canada 

'Upper Canada first used local tokens after 1812, when a series of lightweight halfpennies was issued in memory of Sir Isaac BROCK. These coins were superseded after 1825 by a series of tokens with a sloop on one side and various designs (eg, plow, keg, crossed shovels over an anvil) on the other. In 1822 a copper twopenny token was issued by Lesslie & Sons. The firm also issued halfpennies from 1824 to 1830. There were no government issues in Upper Canada.

When the 2 Canadas were reunited in 1841, the Bank of Montreal was allowed to coin copper; pennies and halfpennies appeared in 1842. Halfpennies were issued again in 1844. After 1849 they received the right to coin copper and large issues of pennies and halfpennies appeared in 1850, 1852, 1854 and 1857. The Quebec Bank was allowed to issue pennies and halfpennies in 1852'.

More unpublished finds below. I have added a couple of missed milled silver coins to the lasted find page, Nov 2008 finds page 2 and added them to the forum competition total.

1722 George 1st 'dump issue' copper farthing in great shape

19thC trade token, Peel & Co Alexandria - 2 shillings

Rev - Lion facing left holding a knife

1573-8 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver penny
1623-4 James 1st hammered silver half groat – Lis mintmark 3rd coinage


Roman tulip shaped pin head

19thC corporation button
19th C livery button
19th C livery button
Georgian dress button
17th C button
19th C livery button
Georgian dress button

16th Dec 2008 Members vid and more button ID's

More find sheets and photo's uploaded to members area. Oregon Ed has written an interesting article on musket and minnie balls and their history for a local paper click here to view

Canadian Bill sent me a bunch of great vids he took while out in the field which I have just uploaded to the members area. They include the one when he found the oldest coin ever found here and the evening when Tenn Brad found that amazing medieval gold statue. I have just updated the post of the 14th Dec with more button ID's just in from Tim.






As dug to 'cooked' Oldest coin ever found here so far 132BC and after it was 'cooked'

It's clear enough now for a positive ID - it is definitely a Roman Republican Denarius - moneyer: M Aburius M.f. Geminus, 132 B.C. 
RSC-Bab Aburia 6, SR 127, Syd-CRR 487. 
You should, eventually, find the letters: "GEM",  behind Roma's helmeted head on the obverse, and there should be an asterisk-looking mark under her chin which is actually a monogram of XVI - ie: 16 Asses to the denarius.  On the reverse, you have radiate Sol driving a fast quadriga right and brandishing a whip, below the horses, you have M ABVRI with the AB and VR in ligate form, ROMA in the exergue.
Very interesting, as this piece dates to a century and three-quarters before Claudius' conquest of Britian.  I'm going to guess that it originally came to the island in trade for tin, or was carried as a good-luck piece by a superstitious soldier all those years later.  These certainly weren't normal, circulating pieces anywhere else in the Empire in the late 1st through early 3nd century era we associate with a significant Roman presence in Britain and circulating silver.  These were "overweight" by the standards of the denarii at that time and after Nero's debasement, the silver was too pure also - these would have been pulled out of circulation wherever anyone knew that their silver value was well above their nominal denomination - the sort of information that any savvy merchant would have been aware of.

Script reads FRCO ++SMYUNC +DEI

32.80mm H ,11.46g

Brad's Video just after he dug it


The medieval gold statue is currently with the British Museum being evaulated and the initial feedback is it is a very significant find.

14th Dec 2008 More ID'd and exports

More find lists and photo's just posted on members forum. Just processing Canadian Dan's pouch and he discovered an area on new land in Sept that must be been the site of a stall at a fair as he and his wife dug a couple of dozen shop tokens that are from a local village to us. They are all £1 (20 shillings) and half sovereigns (10 shillings and 6 pence).T.C Nunn of Wix, great relics.





19thC - £1 and half sovereign tokens of T.C Nunn, Wix

I was sifting through Dan's old coppers ready to photo them and noticed that he had found two rare ones, both 1694 William and Mary farthings in good shape for their age.

1694 William and Mary copper farthings

Tim our resident button expert has been moving home recently and is now back on line to ID our unknown and outstanding military and navy looking buttons from the first half of the season. I have sent him list of over 30 that require his further expertise plus a dozen or so to be included in his books that have never been recorded before. We are very lucky to hunt around a garrison town that started with the Romans and goes right up to present day. POW's from Napoleonic right through 2 World Wars worked the land we search. Tim just sent back ID's on the first 3.

20thC G.P.O. Button, (General Post Office).

20thC R.T.C. Button, (Royal Tank Corp)

Variation of the Royal West Kent Regiment

Royal West Kent Regiment ?

12th Dec 2008 First export application

During the half season break I prepare the paperwork for export license applications. It is a very long process and by law every man made find over 50 years old must have a valid export license approved before it can be taken out of the country. At the end of a guys tour he leaves me a large bag with all the finds he made during his/her tour. Each piece is re examined under a scope to ensure no finds have been missed. A photograph of every find is made and a detailed list produced in MS Word. Any missed finds are individually phote'd and added to our site. While the hunts are in progress there are just so many noble metal pieces being found that great finds are easily missed. I have just completed Atlanta Mike's pouch and amazingly I missed 2 of his stunning hammered silver coins below while the hunts were in progress. Check more info on the export process here.

1216 -47 Henry III hammered silver short cross penny Class 6c3


Rev HENRI ON CANT - Moneyer Henri of Canterbury

1.25g, 16.96mm

1247 Henry III hammered silver voided long cross penny - Class 1b

Rev LIE(/TER/C(I:/LVN - London mint

18.11, 1.32g

One piece Navy button



Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)

RN - Packet Service
( Mail & Supplies Delivery )

Firmin & Co

RN Master - 1807-1825
RN Ass't Master - 1807-1825
RN Volunteer Gr.II - 1824-1825
In use 1807 - 1825
In Gilt
Note: Anchors below stock

I also get a chance to clean any items like buttons etc for adding to the site. I bag up all those finds that need to be taken to Colchester museum for recording or further ID's like the ones below.Those coins that the finder requires to be straigthened or repaired by the gold smith are bagged up ready to be taken to his workshop.

Mike's hammered silver coins ready for the straighteners

Very unusual style Romano/British loop terret 12.08g, 35.06mm L x 15.25mm W - One for the museum to look at further


'Protected loop terrets are usually considered to be Roman and dating to the late first and second centuries AD'

Circa 10thC Saxon gilded mount with 4 rivet fixing - one for the museum to look at and record

9.76g, 34.49mm x 5.38mm T


Below are Atlanta Mike's 20 find sheets from a 2 week hunt compiled for the export process, click on any sheet to enlarge. Mike is a Senior member and one of our top hunters, he is using the right kit for the job including a large coil to cover huge areas. Guys collect the early pottery which is littered over the house sites to make mosaics for tops of tables etc. Each guy hunting here gets a full coloured photo word document with each find detailed mailed to him. Recording of all important finds on the National PAS databases at is the most important aspect to these tours.


Sheet 1

Sheet 2

1.1845 Victorian milled silver shilling
2.1929 George V milled silver shilling
3.1932 George V milled silver sixpence
4.1247 Henry III hammered silver voided long cross penny - Class 1b
5.1834 French Philippe I milled silver 1/4 franc
6.1836 William IV milled silver shilling
7.1817 George 1st milled silver six pence
8.1945 American silver coin
9.1641-3 Charles 1st hammered silver penny - mintmark 2 dots
10.1216 -47 Henry III hammered silver short cross penny Class 6c3
11.1696 William III worn milled silver sixpence
12.1928 George V milled silver sixpence
14.1554 Mary hammered silver groat
15.1634 Charles 1st hammered silver half groat ( 2 pence)
16. Medieval hammered silver penny
17.1560 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 3 pence
18.1696 William III worn milled silver sixpence
19.1696 William III worn milled silver sixpence
20.1696 William III worn milled silver sixpence

1. Victorian silver pendant Birmingham 1898 hallmark
2. Victorian Gold jewelry clasp (Reading's patent)
3. 320 AD Crispus Roman bronze - Obv: IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES Laureate head right
Rx: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around wreath, VOT / V within; GSIS (Siscia, 3rd officina) in exergue. RIC VII 151
4.16th C Elizabeth 1st prohibited lead tavern pieces
5.16th C Elizabeth 1st prohibited lead tavern pieces
6.Romano/British loop terret 12.08g, 35.06mm L x 15.25mm W
7.1634 Charles 1st Rose farthing
8. Roman bronze coin - minim , illegible
9.17thC lead trade token
10.15thC lead token
11. 1351-2 Edward III hammered silver groat - Series C, mint mark cross 1, Letters C & E closed - Lombardic M
12. 1472 Edward IV hammered silver groat Type 10 , initial mark sun both sides, trefoils by neck, long cross fitchee
13. Edward III 1344-51 hammered silver florin penny Obv EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint
14.18thC Crotal bell
16. Roman lead domed top spindle whorl
17. Medieval lead spindle whorl
18.17thC hammered copper trade farthing - William Moore bays maker of Colchester Essex, Ref Norweb 1202a

Sheet 3

Sheet 4

1. 24 – 18th to 20th C copper coins

1.27 – 18th to 20th C copper coins

Sheet 5

Sheet 6

1. 29 – 18th to 20th C copper coins

1. 27 – 18th to 20th C copper coins

Sheet 7

Sheet 8

1. 16 - – 18th to 20th C copper coins
15. 18thC Colchester farthing
16. 1st/2nd Roman bronze illegible
17. 1st/2nd Roman bronze illegible
18.4th Roman bronze illegible
19. 1st/2nd Roman bronze illegible
20. 4th Roman bronze illegible

1. 70 post Tudor period buttons

Sheet 9

Sheet 10

1. 62 post Tudor period buttons

1. 80 post Tudor period buttons

Sheet 11

Sheet 12

1. 80 post Tudor period buttons


1. 70 post Tudor period buttons

Sheet 13

Sheet 14

1. 25 Lead musket balls
7.17thC lead trade token
8. 2 Post medieval alnage cloth seals
4. Post medieval lead bale seal
9. Post medieval lead bale seal
10. 2- Medieval lead gaming tokens
11.. 2- Post medieval lead bale seals
12 Post medieval lead bale seal
13. Post medieval lead bale seal
14. Post medieval lead bale seal
15 Post medieval lead bale seal
16 Post medieval lead bale seal
17. Roman lead spindle whorl
18. Medieval lead loom weight
19 Post medieval cloth seal
20 Post medieval cloth seals

1. 1550-1650 Buckle
2. 1550-1650 Buckle
3. 1550-1650 Buckle
4.19thc buckle
5. 1550-1650 Buckle
6.1550-1650 Buckle
7. Georgian buckle
8.1550-1650 Buckle
9. Georgian buckle
10.19thC bare knuckle fighter figurine
11. 7- 20thC harness buckles

Sheet 15

Sheet 16

1. Georgian barrel key
3. Georgian buckle
4. Lead hem weight
5. Lead hem weight
6. 17thC lead token
7. Medieval strap end – 2 rivet fixings
8. Medieval strap end – 2 rivet fixings
9. 18thC bullion weight – lion mark
10, 15th lead token – crown type
11. Georgian mount
12. Georgian watch winder
13. Post medieval lead bale seal
14.15th lead token – long cross type
15. 4 alnage lead cloth seals
17. Victorian silver name tag
18. 1770’s coin weight – 18 shillings
19. Post medieval loom weight
20. Post medieval lead finial

1. 2 Georgian copper thimbles
2. 3 Georgian copper thimbles
3. 17thC clothing hooked fastener
4. 16thC crotal bell fragment
5. Georgian lead tobacco jar lid handle
6. 2 Georgian draw pulls
8.16thC crotal bell fragment
9. 16thC bell fragment
10. 3 Georgian watch winders
11. 2 Georgian oil lamp wick supports
13. Georgian coat hook
14. Medieval gilded mount – 4 rivet fixings
15. 17thC hammered copper trade farthing - illegible
16. 8 copper tacks and nails
18. Fragment of a decorated Roman mount
19. 18thC clog fastener
20. Medieval Jetton – 3 fleur De Lis

Sheet 17

Sheet 18

1. Georgian mount
2. 20thC dog tag
3.17th copper alloy finger ring
4. WWII AA flack shell fragment
5. 17th heart shaped mount with 2 rivet fixings
6. Victorian pressed copper mount
7. Army cap badge fragment
8. 2 copper alloy rivets
9. 17thC hammered copper coin - illegible
10. Georgian bull nose ring fragment
11. Georgian buckle tongue
12.18thC mount with 2 integral lugs
13.20thc watch winder
14. Georgian draw pull
15. Georgian watch winder fragment
16. Georgian draw pull back plate
17. 2 – 17thC mounts
18. Medieval prick spur fragment
20. Post medieval lead trade weight

1. 35 clay pipe fragments
11. 20thC bone handled knife fragment
14.10 – 17th to 20th pottery shards

Sheet 19

Sheet 20

1.50 – 17th to 20th pottery shards

1.50 – 17th to 20th pottery shards

Sheet 21


1.57 – 17th to 20th pottery shards




11th Dec 2008 New maps and land - exporting

I have started compiling the latest export applications and will be posting detailed find sheets with photo's on the members forum shortly.

I have just uploaded maps of the new land to the members forum. Canadian Rod, our club historian, is constantly researching our land and plotting recorded medieval fairs, lost houses and churches etc.

'Some interesting research so far, including a documented fair, but its on the other side of the highway from Andrew's, straight opposite the Celtic Village field. Also I've found a new house site on Robert's , I always wondered why it was called New Hall, Old hall is pretty close and it will be early as New Hall is on 1750's maps already.

There was also a Chapel/Church on Johns' land up to the mid 1700's. '

Canadian Rod

Rod is updating our master map with the new plots and it is very interesting where Chicago Ron found a new Roman settlement area this season and that gold Saxon looking necklace part, there are really distinctive crop marks on the field map.

We currently have around 250 fields to try and cover so lots of hot spotting still to be done in the second half of the season.

The 'History Heathen' pub quiz competition for members to win a free trip this season is currently being won by Cal Jim, details on members forum.

I added another milled silver coin I missed photographing to the other free competition we are running this season. The final tally for the half season is 155, check you guesses here to see how you are doing.

9th Dec 2008 Heraldic shield ID'd

Ohio Eric wins a free sweat shirt for ID'ing our 13thC medieval heraldic shield pendant below . Unfortunately none of the background enamel colour remained to be certain of the ID until I remembered an earlier find of Robert FitzWalter's. Both John de Lisle and Willem Petche could both have been visiting locally but we found the house site of Robert FitzWalter's and another heraldic shield in better condition. This was maid Marion's farther of Robin hood fame and right hand man of the king of England, great find.

Robert FitzWalter - enameled 13thC heraldic shield pendant

Or a fess between two chevrons gules

Robert le FizWater

John de Lisle - Joan de l'Isle or William Pecche - Willem Petche- Robert FitzWalter

Argent a fess between two chevrons sable

In 1206 King John refused to agree to Pope Innocent III's choice of Archbishop of Canterbury after his own choice had been rejected. Because the king still challenged the pope, in 1207 he was excommunicated (not allowed to be a member of the church) and an 'interdict' was issued by the pope.

Because of the interdict, the churches closed and their bells fell silent. With the church doors locked, services could not take place. The dead had to be buried in fields instead of in holy ground. People could not marry in church and baptisms had to be carried out in church porches.

King John's excommunication also let off the barons from their oath of loyalty to him. Because they might rebel against him at any time, King John acted quickly against anyone who looked as though they might be disloyal. We know from the Medieval Chronicles that Robert FitzWalter, the 3rd Lord of Dunmow Castle, was accused of plotting to kill King John during a rebellion in 1212. The rebellion was quickly quashed. FitzWalter was outlawed and fled to France.

Eventually in 1213, the Pope told King Philip of France that he could invade England and King John finally agreed to the Pope's terms including his choice of Archbishop. Robert FitzWalter returned home and, with the other Barons, he made peace with King John.

This did not last long, however. It was found that FitzWalter was still plotting against the King and urging for the government to be reformed. Because of this, his home in London, the Castle of Baynard, was almost entirely destroyed

Taxes, during King John's reign, were very high and became ever higher.

In 1214, King John left England to fight a war in France. To make sure the army had enough supplies, the king's Regent of the time, Peter de Roches, raised a very big tax on the barons. The war was lost and, as in the story, on the Kings' return, Robert FitzWalter called a meeting at Bury St Edmunds Abbey where it was agreed that the King must agree to the laws and freedoms granted to the barons in the charter of Henry 1st, or they would declare war on him.

Robert FitzWalter led the Baron's army under the title "Marshal of the Army of God and the Holy Church." In the end, the King was forced to sign the Magna Carta at Runnymede on 15th June 1215. Several copies of the Magna Carta documents still exist.

Magna Carta means 'great charter'. To abide by Magna Carta, the King had to agree to certain laws and accept that his will was not above the law. It was not the first written document that put limits on the power of a king, but it was the first that was backed up by a council (of 25 barons) to try and make sure the king obeyed. It included a paragraph that said 'no free man shall be seized, imprisoned, disposed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way ? 'except by the lawful judgment of his peers?'

John did not sign the document willingly and never intended to keep to it. In September 1215, just a few months after signing the charter, King John sent a message to the Pope asking him to annul the charter. The Pope agreed and excommunicated the barons that had signed it.

As the fighting started again, FitzWalter slipped off to France and offered Prince Louis the English throne. Both Scottish and French armies invaded England. After fighting off the Scottish forces, King John's army changed direction to East Anglia, intending to quash the baron's rebellion. As his troops crossed the river Ouse on 11th October, they were caught by the rising tide and the crown Jewels sank into the Wash. Just a few days later, on 19th October, King John died at Newark.

At the time of his death, the French flag flew over East Anglia. However, a French King did not rule England as no bishop would crown Prince Louis and many of the barons, who had rebelled against King John, now gave their support to his nine-year-old son Henry.

When John became King on the death of his brother Richard in 1199, the treasury (money for running the kingdom) was nearly empty. His answer was to raise money through taxes and his reign was one of harsh laws and heavy taxes.

At the start of his reign, while he was away from England, he left Geoffrey FitzPeter in control as 'Regent'. He was a harsh man and did not worry about demanding heavy taxes and gave the local sheriffs a free hand to collect these by any means. He became very unpopular.

Like most Kings of the time John was ruthless. It was also claimed that King John killed his nephew, Arthur, in 1206, to make sure of the future of the throne. However, history may not have been very fair to King John. At this time the historians, or chroniclers, were mainly monks. These monks would have been in sympathy with the parties that King John was arguing with - that is the church and the rich estate owners (barons).

King John's reign was far from all bad for the country. Many towns such as Cambridge, Ipswich, King's Lynn and Norwich grew rich as they were given 'charters' and encouraged to govern themselves. The towns benefited from changes in the way taxes were paid and could get income from taxing market traders entering the town.

R. Turner 1994 argued that John "...had intelligence, administrative ability and he was good at planning military campaigns. However, too many personality flaws held him back". Unfortunately for King John, no king of the time could have run the country successfully without the support of the powerful Barons and Noblemen.

What of Matilda's supposed murder and her links with Robin Hood?

Robin and Marion
The monk, Matthew Paris, writing in his diary some years later in the 13th century, mentions the murder of Matilda. He records that in 1234/5, Robert FitzWalter died and that "?y his first wife, FitzWalter had, with other children, a daughter, Matilda the Fair, called 'Maid Marion,' said to have been poisoned by King John."

Matilda, his daughter, may indeed have been beautiful but very little is known of her life and death. After the rebellion of 1212, when FitzWalter and his family fled to France, it seems that he made his actions seem good, by saying the king was after his daughter and was plotting to kill his son-in-law.

King John was not a pleasant man, but many historians do not believe FitzWalter's story. Robert FitzWalter had a shady past. He had surrendered Vaudreuil in France to the French king in 1203 under suspicious circumstances. So, whether what he did was because of King John's interest in his daughter or came from a wish for more power is difficult to say.

The character of Maid Marion, like Friar Tuck, is not in the early ballads of Robin Hood. The character of Maid Marion probably came from an early French Pastoral romance ??he shepherd and shepherdess Robin and Marion'. Parts of this story and the Robin Hood stories probably merged and Maid Marion became Robin Hood's true love in the later versions of the legend.

It is in Anthony Munday's Elizabethan "Huntingdon" plays; written in the 17th century that Marian becomes an alias employed by Matilda FitzWalter. A popular romance at the time was the legend of King John pursuing Matilda, daughter of Robert FitzWalter. Robin Hood or Robin of Loxley, if such a person existed, was not a well-known Nobleman but most likely a wronged landowner, fighting to regain his family seat.

Dunmow Priory in Essex is said to be the resting-place of Robin Hood's Maid Marian. All that remains of Dunmow Priory is the present church of Dunmow; the south aisle of what was once a much larger building. However the story lives on, along with the many other tales of Robin Hood; and King John's jewels and royal regalia remain a treasure trove still to be found



8th Dec 2008 Pipe tamper ? Treasure updates

Lots of treasure letters going out to guys at the moment from the British Museum. We have had several reported treasures disclaimed that are being returned to the finders. Mass Mikes' silver ring fragment feedback is dated as medieval and the inscription JC stands for Jesus Christ. Cal Val's gold ring below was disclaimed and has been returned to me to send back to the finder.

Treasure case: 2008 T265, Gold ring. The outer surface is plain and undecorated. The inner surface is rough and pitted. The ring is bent and the shape distorted. In its current condition it has an external measurement of 26.93mm by 21.10mm, and an internal measurement of 23.68mm by 17.16mm. It is 3.06mm wide, 1.43mm thick. It weighs 4.73 grams.
British Museum Report:
2008 T265: gold ring from ‘North of Colchester’, Essex

This large plain gold ring has a roughened interior which is unusual for a finger ring and suggests that it may be a fitting of some kind. In the absence of any diagnostic features there is no evidence to date this ring pre-1708.

J. Rudoe
British Museum



Report for H M Coroner
2007 T637: silver buckle.

Small silver oval buckle, somewhat bent out of shape, the pin with no catch. Probably a breeches buckle. On the reverse a maker’s mark ‘RI’ (?). The mark is not identifiable from the standard sources but the form of the letters and the shape of the shield suggest a date after 1707 and as the buckle is a simple type that remained in use over a long period, there is not enough evidence to confirm that it is more than 300 years old.

J. Rudoe
British Museum

Silver clothing fastener, 17.34mm H x 18.04 mm W, 1.66g - Reported as potential treasure to museum as it could be earlier than it looks - ID'd as Tudor 16th C

'Got my copy today of the British Museum request to the coroner for inquest on my silver dress fitting. Apparently Colchester museum wants it because it is unusual - being cast when most from the 16th century seem to be cut from sheet stock instead.'
NewHampshire Scot

I have been doing some research on the small hammer item found by Idaho Gerry and found an example on the PAS database that suggests it is a pipe tamper, located in the next county to Essex. Pipe tampers were generally of the form like the ones below and the hammer object is I believe attributed incorrectly. A shaft was originally fitted and secured via the hole in the top by perhaps a nail, overall this would a very bulky object to put in one's pocket just to tamp down tobacco. The object is currently with Colchester museum so it will be interesting to see what their findings are.


Idaho Gerry's hammered - 46.54mm H x 47.43mm W , 23.29g



'An incomplete cast copper-alloy pipe tamper of Post-Medieval to Modern date. The tamper is in the form of a claw hammer but is missing half of the claw, the hammerhead and the tamper itself due to old breaks. It has a hollow cylindrical shaft that tapers slightly towards the head and has vertical seams on opposing sides of the exterior, incised decoration spiraling from the base to the head, and may have been threaded on the interior. There is a small circular perforation on the back face of the shaft beneath the claw. The block at the top of the shaft is rectangular in shape. At one end there is a small circular projection from which the now missing hammerhead would have extended. On the opposing end of the block is the integral, curving claw, of which only one of the two claws/prongs survives intact, the other missing due to old breaks. Where the claw joins the block there are moulded semi-circular indentations to either side and two incised grooves on the upper surface. The sides of the block are decorated with concentric ring-and-dot motifs. On the top of the block is a circular perforation where the now missing tamper would have been attached. The entire object measures 47.67mm in length, 31.40mm in width at the head end, 10.88mm in diameter at the base of the shaft, 9.32mm in thickness at the head, and weighs 19.82g.

The cylindrical shaft would have allowed attachment of the hammer to a wooden or perhaps bone handle, the now missing tamper projecting from the top of the block enabling the tamping down of tobacco in a clay pipe. There are a number of examples recorded on the Portable Antiquities Scheme database, notably LANCUM-1B7A36, SUSS-8CAED1, SUR-3B28F4 and SUR-013852, all of which have similar form and decoration. These indicate a date of c.1600-1850. '

POST MEDIEVAL (Certain) to MODERN (Certain), Circa 1600 AD - Circa 1850 AD


7th Dec 2008 More updates

More updates to the individual find pages below with the latest finds. The members on the forum are currently trying to ID the unknown heraldic shield pendants found so far this season. If you can ID any of them drop me a mail please, win free sweat shirt if you can ID the owner !!

Medieval heraldic shield pendants


Religious and Pilgrims items
Buttons Dress
Lead tokens all periods

6th Dec 2008 More updates

I have started constructing a new page for pipe tampers and smoking equipment. Pipe tampers are such a neat relic and amazingly Cal Sarah has found both these beauties.


More updates to the following pages with the latest finds

Clothing fasteners
Lead tokens all periods
Modern coins Post 1901
Harness mounts
Bale seals
William IV milled


5th Dec 2008 Great Saxon penny find - more updates

Busy year for UK treasure hunters

Interesting 5-part video on you tube about Boudica's Treasure

I have updated a load more individual finds page and added more of our axe head finds to the early history time line page.


Interesting button with D*B - military ?

One of our Senior members Virginian John was out detecting with his son near York and dug this amazing Saxon silver penny. He sent it off for recording to Dr Allen at the Fitzswilliam museum Cambridge and has just got this reply ID'ing his coin.

Thank you for the excellent images and very helpful information about your find, which is an Edward the Confessor Pyramids type penny of the York moneyer Outhgrim, reading +OVÐGRIM ON EOFEI on the reverse. 'Ð' is the Anglo-Saxon letter for 'th' and 'EOFEI' refers to the Anglo-Saxon name of York, Eoferwic. The annulet in one quarter of the reverse is a mark of the York mint in this period. The Pyramids type is the last of the reign of Edward the Confessor (1042-66) and is conventionally dated to 1065-6, shortly before the Norman Conquest.

The finding of this coin . . . is a useful addition to the evidence for the predominantly local circulation of coins of Edward the Confessor of the York mint. It would be highly desirable to record this find in the Fitzwilliam Museum's online Corpus of Early Medieval Coin Finds (EMC) if you have no objection. Your name would not appear on the EMC website. Should I assume that the coin was found on 18 October, which is the date on the image?

With thanks,

Martin Allen


Great collection of watch winders


Spindle Whorls
Watch Winders
Axe heads
Saxon finds 410 -1065 AD
Weights coin
Military buttons numbered regs
Weights trade


3rd Dec 2008 Unknowns and more updates

I am working through the unknowns and still updating the individual find pages with the latest finds this season. Some of the pages like the Roman coins are huge so I have will have to split them further. If you can ID any of the buttons and do dads below please drop me a mail.

I found a really good Army regimental badge site that helped ID a couple of our outstanding military badges Badge site






Military button with thistle
Fascinating hammered copper coin - not English
Silver overlaid Life guards button ??
Military or livery ?
Early foreign navy ?

Prince of Wales feathers military or livery button

Base metal coins
Tokens 15thC to 17thC lead
Navy buttons
Military buttons numbered regs

2nd Dec 2008 More updates - working on unknowns

More updates to the individual find pages below. I am working on the unknown and unrecorded buttons from the first half of the season at the moment. If you can ID any of the unknowns like this one below then drop me a mail please


Early Military ?

Military badges

Buttons Livery

Button Corporation

Buttons Livery
Victorian coins 1837 to 1901
17thC Hammered copper coins

1st December 2008 More updates - Military unrecorded

Updated loads more individual pages with the latest finds, links below. This season we found another bunch of unrecorded numbered and named military buttons so I have sent pictures off to their respective Regimental web sites for them to have a copy. Hopefully they will have more information on the dates these buttons were used by their regiments.

Spurs and rowels
Bells & Whistles
Saxon finds 410 -1065 AD
Clog and shoe fasteners
John to Richard II coins
Navy buttons
Military buttons numbered regs
Military buttons foreign
Military buttons named regs

30th Nov 2008 More updates - Forum comp latest score

More updates to the pages below with our latest finds. Remember you can use our searchable database at and type in any keyword to find items.

I have just posted the latest forum competition score here . Check to see how your guess is doing.



29th Nov 2008 - Find pages updated

I have started to update the individual find pages with the latest finds. I will have to split some of these pages further as they are getting too large now.


28th Nov 2008 Museum meeting - Testimonials

Gold Torc find

Mr Richardson, a 59-year-old tree surgeon, discovered a gold and silver torc, a necklace of eight twisted metal strands valued at £350,000 and dating from AD200 to 50BC. Story from the Times.

I have split the 2008 Nov finds page into two now to speed up loading times.

Nov 2008 finds page 1

Nov 2008 finds page 2 New

Canadian Gord just sent a great testimonial of his trip from a 'Newbie' point of view staying in the Barn House - Click here to view

I dropped off a bunch of interesting finds for recording and the last of the treasures to the museum. Chicago Ron's Barn team found an unexpected Roman area on new land this season that produced a whole raft of Romano/British items and Ron's possible Saxon gold necklace part. It is currently with the British museum being evaluated. There were several obvious pieces like the Celtic wode grinder, enameled fibular brooch etc but there were also two very interesting pieces with 'Star of Creation' designs. Hexagrams (6 sided stars) were a symbol used from the year dot so the museum has sent them of to the BM experts. One piece I took in looked like a very crude fibular brooch and we have found a couple of very similar ones in the past. Initial feedback from the museum is that they are possibly failed fibular brooch castings which makes sense.

Disc brooch with Hexagrams found in the same area as the Romano/British finds- Possibly Roman but could also be Saxon - one for the museum to evaluate

23.05mm ,7.02g

The six-pointed star is the Creator's Star or Star of Creation. Its six points stand for the six days of creation, and are also represent the six attributes of God: power, wisdom, majesty, love, mercy and justice.

This star is the same as the Star of David, a symbol of Judaism modern-day Israel. The six-pointed star is of ancient origin and is used in many other religions with a variety of meanings.


Interesting wire decorated neck chain clasp with stone - could be as early as late 16thC Tudor

Posted the last of the outstanding finds to new November finds page 2


27th Nov 2008 New 90 minute video - Latest cooked Romans

I have finally managed to condense Sal's 85 hours worth of video he took with his 'hat cam' while out hunting. It is still a large video at 90 minutes as he captured nearly all his good finds from the first shovel full to his reaction when he saw what it was. It also includes Canadian Gord's reaction that evening after he had found his Celtic gold and Idaho Gerry presenting Sal with the 'find of the year' award for his English Saxon gold find from last season. Click this link to Download the video which is 155 Meg in size. I will be uploading it to our own streaming video server later to play in real time.

Gerry just posted a real nice series of pictures on the members forum of Gord with his Celtic.

I am still 'cooking' the Roman silvers from the last couple of weeks and the detail is slowly coming through. I have posted a load more finds to the latest hunt page Nov 2008 finds page.






Partially 'cooked' 3rd C Roman silver - back in the 'cooker'

Your silver piece seems likely to be a Severan-era denarius, the curly hair could be any one of a number of youthful Severan rulers.  (c. 200-235 AD, approximately - Young Caracalla, Geta, Elagabalus, Severus Alexander [not too likely] are some of the usual suspect of this dynasty)  The shape of the face and head don't remind me of M. Aurelius as Caesar, who was also portrayed with tightly-curled hair.  The reverse could be any one of a number of seated figures, but more likely Pax or Jupiter than others I can think of offhand - we'll need to see if it's a female or male seated figure and what attributes (objects) are associated with the figure.
We should be able to tell better after a bit of a simmer.

25th Nov 2008 Sal's vid - museum meeting

I have a meeting with the museum this week to drop off the latest treasures and finds for recording, I will try and get more feedback on the outstanding treasures and where they are in the process.

I am half way through processing all the video clips that Sal took with his 'hat cam' during his last hunt. He must have taken a thousand + clips so it will take a while before I can up load it. It is amazing to be able to watch relics as they are dug, it is like being out there with him, lead, button, more lead, more buttons then a real nice keeper. Sal captured Canadian Gord's reaction brilliantly that night he found his rare Celtic gold coin and I have added it to the the vid.

Gord shows off his little pony and describes when he dug it, no one else was on that field with him so he had to jump up and down on his own !!

23rd Nov 2008 Thanks to all and the export process - More Celtic gold feedback

I got some very sad news from Chicago Ron yesterday that one of our senior members has passed away. He will sadly missed by all the members as he was such a great guy to hunt with.

'Chicago Lloyd past away this morning. He was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer in Jan.
I will always remember his friendship, love of life and love of detecting!
He was a good friend and a great man.
Chicago Ron

Uploaded more finds to the latest finds page Nov 2008 finds page, still got a few more to upload later.

A serious extra special thanks to all the 'hard core' members that continue to return back here to hunt each season and have made the first half amazing again. You guys make it a real pleasure to run these hunts with the great humoured banter and piss taking even when getting skunked or having your brains sucked out. Our continued strength as a club is your dedication to hunt in all weathers on new lands and to take risks to find the monsters. I am really spoilt by the great attitude and honesty of the guys coming here to add to the history of the area by handing in all the finds we make for recording. It requires a lot more effort and patience to do it right but it is worth every extra hour we all put in. A special thanks also to the museum and export staff who's hard work and support is invaluable to getting this right.

During the half season break I will make a start on the export process for the latest finds. Exporting guide.

19thC Rifle Muzzle Loading Enfield .577 inch - cork plug still remains

Two great eyeball finds - Stone cannon balls were used from the Tudor period right to the end of the English civil war in 1648

'A badge for a Knight of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre in bronze and dating somewhere around C13/14th possibly very slightly later . This is a very scarce item and it relates to The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem being a Catholic chivalric order of Knighthood that traces its roots to Godfrey of Bouillon, principal leader of the First Crusade. According to reliable sources in the Vatican and Jerusalem, it began in historical reality as a mixed clerical and lay confraternity (association) of pilgrims which gradually grew around the most central of the Christian holy places in the Middle East, the Holy Sepulchre or the tomb of Jesus Christ.This would have been a pin for a member of the order , there is a mark on the reverse where the original pin would have been fixed '

Latest Celtic gold stater 16.76mm,5.89g now recorded as CCI 08.9338

I have had more feedback back on Canadian Gord's Celtic gold coin find, what a rare pony. NS Andy's Celtic gold from last season is also mentioned.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I couldn't check the cards in Oxford until yesterday.  There are two very similar series of these coins, as Philip says, one produced in the Essex region, probably by the Trinovantes, and a direct copy of it struck in Suffolk or Norfolk, perhaps by the Iceni; both types with a whorl below the horse are very rare.  Your coin belongs to the former group and is a die duplicate of BMC 345; the second group is the one represented by BMC 3353-3355 and is slightly cruder and lighter.  Almost the only other way to tell them apart is by the obverse dies - your coin is struck from a very worn Whaddon Chase type obverse which continues in use paired with several reverse varieties, whereas the East Anglian group copies this almost blank die.  There are only seven coins known of the Essex type with a whorl reverse; yours is the third one from this reverse die, as well as BMC 345 there's a water-worn example from the 1905 Clacton Beach hoard.
All the best
John Sills 

22nd Nov 2008 Last of the hunts until the new year - more interesting relics - find of the year

English Saxon Thrysmas gold coin - Crondall type c620 -650 AD named after the hoard found in 1828. Recorded on the Fitzmuseum Corpus database as EMC 2007.0302 1.26g, 11.46mm

'Witmen type'


Idho Gerry presents Sal with his engraved 'find of the year' silver urn and shield for his amazing English Saxon coin discovery from last season. Sal's little Saxon coin got it's export license approved so he can now take it home.


The guys found lots of very interesting do dads right up until the last day of hunting before we take the Christmas break. I have a meeting at the museum next week to take in a load of relics for recording and further ID like the hammer shaped object find below. It is a curios item as it has the classic Roman/Saxon circle design. I still have a load of finds to upload yet to the latest finds page. Nov 2008 finds page


Very interesting Anglo Saxon looking hammer with classic circle decoration - 46.54mm H x 47.43mm W , 23.29g This could even date right up to the late Medieval period with this design

It could well be a working hammer as the fused wire handle is hollow to possibly take a shaft or it is a votive offering of some sort - one for the museum to play with


17thC working toy petronel (pistol) - possible blow out to the barrel due to over packing of gun powder

Interesting Roman piece - socketed end to support a shaft - medical implement ? - one for the museum

19th Nov 2008 Inquest results - more great finds

Posted more hammered silver and do dads to the latest finds page, click here Nov 2008 finds page

Excellent relic , Lord Wellington campaign medallion 1809 -15, Talavera, Vittoria ,Badajoz, Waterloo


I received a letter today from the Coroner and as expected all three of our treasures that had their hearings yesterday, in Chelmsford, were officially declared treasure and will now go forward to the valuation committee stage. I reported another treasure to the museum today found by Idaho Gerry, what a rare ornate Roman silver buckle, he needs to go back and grid the sucker to find the rest of what would have been an amazingly detailed buckle !!

Superb Roman silver dolphin buckle fragment reported to the museum as treasure 15.52mm L x 4.76mm T ,2.03g


Interesting piece - what looked like a Victorian mount appears to be an egyptian design and could even be Roman - one for the museum to take a look at.


1490-1504 Henry VII hammered silver sovereign penny, No initial mark

Archbishop Rotherham issue - key beneath shield

Obv King enthroned holding septre and orb,two double pillars

Rev York mint

1569 Elizabeth 1st hammered silver 6 pence -Coronet mint mark - 4th issue

18th Nov 2008 More neat relics - Loads of silver and Sal's filming another hat cam vid


Louisiana Sal is back here again this week, using up his free hunt prize when he won 'find of the year' 2008 with his English Saxon gold coin. He is using his 'hat cam' to capture all the finds as he digs them . Luckily he has dug some really great finds again including the rare Queen Anne milled shilling and the Charles 1st shilling featured below. I will produce another big video of his hunt at the end like last year Sal's vid . Some more stunning finds showing up including a rare Elizabeth 1st trade weight in great shape with a full set of hall marks visible. I have tons of finds to post including more really crisp hammered silver.

Nov 2008 finds page for latest find uploaded

Stunning 16thC Elizabeth 1st trade weight - Crown EL, London hall mark.

1708 Queen Anne milled silver shilling (12 pence)

1633-4 Charles 1st hammered silver sixpence- Tower mint under Charles - Portcullis mint mark, Group D CR at sides of shield

1467 -68 AD Edward IV hammered silver groat (4 pence) Crown initial mark/sun obv -Quatrefoils by neck Type VIII


CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

17th Nov 2008 Another 2 treasures reported - Celtic gold coin recorded - 'cooking' a Roman

Some real nice do dads and crisp little coins being dug. Louisiana Sal dug a real crispy Roman silver that could be an early Republican and is now in the 'cooker' to clean it up . I have sent it off to Mark Lehman to see if there is enough detail to give an initial ID. Mark has sent back the ID on the recent Roman bronze finds and I have posted the results on the latest finds page.

Roman republican looking silver coin - 'cooking' to reveal detail, figure seated left on reverse - sent for initial ID

14.88mm, 1.61g


I have started a new finds page to speed up loading times Nov 2008 finds page. Tons of great finds to post yet.

1687 James II milled silver 3 pence

Mint condition 1340 AD French Jetton

Crown introduced in 1340 by Philip VI (1328-50)

Royal Crown with 3 rosettes across body of crown

Rev Triple banded straight cross fleuretty AV

Tiny 1619-25 James 1st hammered silver half penny - no legend type in mint shape


I have just reported another 2 treasures to Colchester museum. They are both 17thC Charles II silver items, cufflink and button with the heart designs. The last cufflinks we found with the heart and flames design were acquired by Colchester museum, it will be on display shortly alongside the other buttons of similar designs we found. I have updated the hoard and treasure page with latest updates



1670's Charles II silver cufflinks reported as treasure to Colchester museum

Acquired by Colchester museum

The recording and feedback on the last Celtic gold stater find

'Thanks for this, another fine coin. I would suggest – as for the one from last year – that the closest in the usual catalogues is the BMC 3353 type, but there are some possible variations, eg in the decoration in the exergue, below the horse. The obverse certainly looks familiar – I think the same worn die was used for many if not all of these Snettisham staters.'

I’ll record this one as CCI 08.9338. Thanks again,'


15th Nov 2008 2008 Stonking Celtic gold find - pound drops to 1.47 against the dollar

The pound hit an all time low against the dollar today making our tours now 30% cheaper than last year. Our tours are always priced in pounds making us over $600 per week cheaper the next cheapest tour and a whopping 41% cheaper per detecting hour. If you are considering booking a trip buy pounds now at such a low rate, senior members are buying pounds like crazy for their 2009 trips.

Latest Celtic gold stater 16.76mm,5.89g

NS Andy's Celtic gold from last season 5.73g, 17.13mm CCI 07.1164

It was a kind of mixed bag of detecting this week. New sites gave up hundred of targets, lead. buttons, coppers more lead, crap, loads of action and the odd nice keeper like Ohio Tony's gold coin from a foot path. Other sites gave us a total skunking and then Louisiana Sal bangs in a Republican looking Roman silver coin that I have put into the 'cooker' to clean up the detail. Then within an hour Canadian Gord finds the 'monster', stunning rare Celtic gold stater. It is a very interesting find being from the same tribe as that found by NS Andy last season but from a different die type.

This was the feedback from Dr Philip at the Celtic coin index on NS Andy's gold when I recorded it

'This is quite a rare type, as you no doubt appreciate. The best parallel is provided by three coins in the British Museum, listed in their catalogue as nos. 3353-55. It's one of a group of coins loosely described as the Snettisham staters, because several of the types were first recognized in one of the Snettisham (Norfolk) hoards of the early 1990s. The exact type is not in Van Arsdell although it's closely related to the North Thames types listed as VA 1500, 1502 and thereabouts. It is presumably an East Anglian type, although because of the stylistic similarities there must have been some very strong link between the producers of the Snettisham types and the North Thames types. Date c. 50 - 40 BC, I think.

I have sent the lastest Celtic gold find off to Dr Philip at the CCI for recording and further comments.

Interesting Georgian fob seal with a harp and legend, no idea what the legend means.


Idaho Chuck also made a stunning find, below is a tiny Richard II farthing in the best condition I have ever seen. There is nothing that is as crisp in any of the reference books with a full readable legend both sides. Another great silver was the Bank of England milled silver 1 shilling and 8 pence.

Just posted more finds to the latest hunt page Nov 2008 finds page

1377-99 AD Richard II hammered silver farthing (1/4 penny) Type 1 neck missing: from the same punches as those used for Edward III types 9 and 10



0.34g, 10.06mm

Stunning 1815 Bank of England issue George III milled silver 1 shilling and 6 pence (18 pence)


12th Nov 2008 Roman ID's back - more great finds

Some more great relics turning up including two unrecorded military buttons. The Roman pendant below is really neat relic being decorated on all four sides with the classic circle design.

Roman hanging pendant




2nd Unrecorded 4th Reg button we have found

4th Regiment of Foot
( The King's Own )
O/R's - 1830-1855
18thC Unrecorded 48th regiment of foot button


Late 16thC seal matrix with Fleur de Lis impression

The George III shilling was the most widely forged coin of the period. We have found numerous examples but this one is especially nice as the silver wash remains.


1820 George III milled silver shilling forgery

I have just received a couple of the Roman bronze coin ID's Mark has just sent me, posted the updates on the Oct latest finds page.

Roman bronze coin with animal on reverse - .25g, 15.77mm – very thin

Almost over-thought this one (hearing hoof beats, I began to go off looking for zebras, I guess) before I realized what a common type it really is.  This is an VRBS ROMA City Commemorative issue for Rome, c. 330-337 AD. 
When Constantine moved his capitol to Constantinople c. 330 AD., alongside the normal Imperial portrait types, he decreed a massive issue of coins commemorating both Constantinople and Rome:   The "CONSTANTINOPOLIS" types which also use an allegorical personification of "the city" as an armed and helmeted female bust facing left and have a reverse type of Victory on the prow of a galley - and this VRBS ROMA type with the "animal" reverse.  The reverse type for Rome is the foundation-myth scene of the shewolf suckling the twins, Romulus & Remus with two stars in the field above.  This reverse type is actually a part of the logo of Ancient Coins for Education, Inc, the non-profit educational enrichment organization for which I work.
Here's a representative specimen of the VRBS ROMA type from my collection:
and a CONSTANTINOPOLIS type for comparison:
These two were companion types and issued simultantously between 330 and about 337.  These same two obverses are also known with the GLORIA EXERCITVS, 2 soldiers flanking a military standard reverse between 337 & 340 or so - these were struck, interestingly enough, when the succession of the Principiate was contested just after Constantine's death - it was a way a neutral mint-city could dodge the issue of seemingly supporting one of Constantine's warring sons over another in the conflict.




11th Nov 2008 Earlier start times - Rarest hammered silver ever found here - Finished cooking the Roman

Archived June 2008 to Sept 2008 News from this page to speed up page loading times, old news links at at bottom of this page

With the light now failing an hour earlier in the evenings, when the clocks went back, we are testing an earlier start time to get in the maximum daylight swinging time. It is working really well, wake up at 6am and on the fields by 7am, so in the short evening periods we will be adopting this earlier start time in future. Can't get in too many hours of detecting with 250 fields to run around !!

Updated this years gold page with the latest finds.

I have just posted more finds including two very interesting medieval hammered silver coins that do not appear in the reference books, check out the latest finds page Oct 2008 finds page 1

Ohio Eric had a good day yesterday with a superb tiny George II milled silver , early George silver coins were in very short supply during his reign. He also got a really nice King John short cross penny.

1199 AD King John hammered silver penny - Class 5b2



Moneyer Rener - London mint

1.34g, 17.88mm


Little and large - Victorian 1845 Crown (60 pence) and the George penny

Tiny 1732 George II milled silver one penny

I did some more research on the early Scottish silver find posted yesterday and it is probably the rarest silver coin we have ever found. What a great find.

1205 - 1230 AD William 1st The Lion of Scotland short cross hammered silver penny- Roxburgh mint. Voided shortcross, star in each quarter. Ref SW11D- 065 - classified as ex rare

obv LEI REI WILAM - William the King


1.09g, 17.40mm

After weeks of 'cooking' I have finally got that very rare 5thC Roman silver cleaned. It is wafer thin so you cannot risk picking at it but just let the crud 'cook' off. What a great result on a coin that looked like a piece of crud coming out of the ground !! 'Cooking' crusty Roman silver coins is just a matter of patience. Mark Lehman just sent me a revised ID below now he can see the reverse legend and mint mark clearly.

Finally 'cooked' pictures 5thC Roman silver siliqua of Honorius


Nice job cleaning the Honorius siliqua - and, according to Roman Silver Coins, that's what it is, a siliqua - if a somewhat lightweight one.  The reverse type is VIRTVS ROMANORVM with Roma seated left on a cuirass holding Victory on globe and a scepter.  The exergual mint mark - MDPS - indicates it was minted in Milan, and between 388-393 AD.
Catalog #'s - RIC 32c & RSC 59b 

9th Nov 2008 First George IV gold found - rare Scottish silver


Ohio Tony made a great recovery of the first George IV gold guinea we have ever found on new land. This is a rare find as he was only on the throne for 10 years. I was also trying to catch up on posting last weeks finds and discovered that a short cross coin I took a picture of could be another very rare find. It appears to be a 1205 - 1230 AD William 1st The Lion of Scotland short cross hammered silver penny.The obv legend clearly shows an S which only matches one moneyer Henri Le Rus which is classed as extremely rare in the reference books, great find. I need to do some more gentle cleaning to reveal more of the legend as it should be an Alexander II.

Posted a few more milled silver and do dads to the latest finds page Oct 2008 finds page 1






1827 George IV gold guinea 22.o4mm, 8.03g


Profile facing left holding a septre. It should be an Alexander II but the moneyer does not match

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